Polish crimes

[ada]

As I frequently fight with one Ukrainian Nationalist on the other forum I want to know the truth.

1. Bereza Karuska - internment place. According to Polish and British sources during the 5 years of existence there were total sum- 500 prisoners (among Polish Pilsudski's opponents there were OUN activists). Up to 17 deaths in it. According to that Ukrainian man - 2.500 Ukrainian nationalists were imprisoned there, 50% of mortality rate among them. Real concentration camp.

2. Lutisk and Sarny my sources tells about severe jails. And He told us of concentration camps for Ukrainian Nationalists.

3. Who really was mr Julian Golovinsky. According to my opponent he was killed in very brutal way in his old age, before the WWII by Poles, who wanted him to reveal details of OUN existance.

Many thanks for any information.

[benda]

I have never heard about these facts but I know few about that page of war. What is doubtless is that not only UPA committed crimes against Poles and AK but also vice versa. So maybe it is true.

[ada]

But that happened BEFORE the WWII.
E.g. Bereza was opened during 1934-1939.

[benda]

Didn't Pilsudski die in 1935?

[ada]

Yes, he did. But the place was still in use. Opened after the assasination of Polish Minister B. Piernacki by OUN members.

Different voices of rather bad treating of prisoners. But I do not believe in 50% mortality as I found non-Polish sources telling of 17 deaths during whole 5 years. But who knows???

[Zbyszek]

Originally posted by ada
Yes, he did. But the place was still in use. Opened after the assasination of Polish Minister B. Piernacki by OUN members.

Different voices of rather bad treating of prisoners. But I do not believe in 50% mortality as I found non-Polish sources telling of 17 deaths during whole 5 years. But who knows???

Ada, the name of an assasinated Polish Minister was actually Bronislaw PIERACKI. It was the second (in)famous terrorist attack on outstanding representatives of the Polish government at that time. In 1931, well-known moderate socialist political writer Tadeusz Holowko was killed and it was real tragedy because Holowko preached reconciliation between Poles and Ukrainians. His senseless death was read as the OUN answer to patient efforts of reasonable forces on both sides.

The reaction of the Polish government was impatient and improper. Still, we have to remember that Bereza KARTUSKA was prepared for all kinds of leftist/communist people challenging the state at that time. After the war, old Polish communists who had stayed in Bereza [they themsleves used to say: we survived Bereza] were portrayed as folk heroes.
Bereza was not a picnic but calling it concentration camp is much overstated. All progressive forces in prewar Poland were calling Bereza a national shame but it functioned like a symbol rather than a real thing.
Neither numbers of prisoners nor death statistics did not justified naming it concentration camp. How to compare it with Kolyma or Dachau??????? Impossible!



Benda, the UPA's crimes against the AK [Polish Underground Army] are not a real problem. The problem is the extent of UPA/OUN crimes against innocent Polish civilians.

[ada]

Zbyszek,

I excelent know the background of the events. Name of Pieracki was my spelling mistake. I also can give you full information of other terroristic OUN attacks on Poles and on collaborating with them Ukrainians.

The point is that I want to complete my knowledge with the other side information.
NO, Bereza was not the concentration camp as Dachau. But simply read some memoires of people, who were imprisoned. Many sadistic tortures, sometimes starvation.

I want to know the whole truth.

What about the information that Julian Golowinsky was martyred by Polish police with electricity and later shot under the false appearance of attempt to escape? I just want to know the full truth.

So let Ukrainians speak.