14th SS division Galicia (Nr.1 Ukrainian)

[benda]

About Khmelnytskyi - you are a clever person and you have to understand that cruelty of his people (concerning Poles - we discussed Jews earlier) was provoked by Polish actions.

[Petro_moskal]

And the Gestapo were heroes because they fought for freedom against the Jewish-Bolshevik bid for world domination! Who cares what they did on the side - it's their goal that makes them heroes! Noble, selfless souls they were - in their battles with the commissars, each Gestapo man killed a hundred Asiatic Mongoloid sub-humans before going down himself. Unfortunately they died in the fight and the evil Reds raped every woman in Germany, polluting the German race's pure gene pool.

For those especially clueless folks out there: yes, I'm being sarcastic with that.

[Edited by Petro_moskal on 9th September 2005 at 12:20]

[MiguelMichael]

who cares about Czarniecki,Chmielnicki or Genghis Khan?then there was no democracy,international law,both humanitarian legal and moral standards and if Hitler lived then he would be a hero now too.
what counts is now and Ukrainians must face up to the fact of Volhynia which has been classified as planned genocide by Polish Institute of National Remembrance.what's that noise of reconsiliation for if Ukraine can't even condemn it unanimously once and for all?

[Petro_moskal]

Because that wouldn't make the UPA look like heroes, would it? Some Ukrainians prefer for their countrymen to be kept in blissful ignorance of the UPA's crimes...
This summer I read a exam-practice book published in Kharkiv for Ukrainian university history entrance exams. I could not one word about Volyn' in it. Shameful. Gan'ba.

[dobko]

Originally posted by benda
It is the most progressive way I think. I am happy you are one of those, alas, not numerous Polish people who can see it.

Why is Stefan Czarnecki your national hero?
There were also such people as Potozki, Lashch, Konezpolski, Zholkevski who killed lots of Ukrainians as well.

You are wasting your time, Benda. These two are only here to bash anything Ukrainian.

I would like to hear their answers though!

[ada]

Originally posted by benda
It is the most progressive way I think. I am happy you are one of those, alas, not numerous Polish people who can see it.

Why is Stefan Czarnecki your national hero?
There were also such people as Potozki, Lashch, Konezpolski, Zholkevski who killed lots of Ukrainians as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Czarniecki
As far as i concern not every Polish hero should have killed Ukrainians to became hero (Thanks God)

[ada]

Miguel, Pedro

Yes, Ukrainians were killing Poles. Yes Poles were killing Ukrainians.
People of that forum admitted that facts!!!
Should they do this 100 times?

ps. My familly, as I wrote before suffered a lot. Last information I've received that 13 members of my further family were killed by UPA during one night in Toustobaby (Vysoke). Incl 3month old child - beasts cut off skin from child's back.

But we cannot expect that every Ukrainian should kneel and tell UPA was bad.! Forgive me that UPA were Ukrainians!

Let's talk of history. Not let's quarrel of that.

ps. Pedro, I have big task for you I was trying to find you before. There is very good historical forum
http://www.1jma.dk
They are talking of history but they have no "Moskal" member. I think that Your knowledge would give them fresh blood and fresh view on the history matters.
Very kind open-minded people.