14th SS division Galicia (Nr.1 Ukrainian)

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I agree with you. I'm Ukrainian and I love my country but that doesn't mean I can (or want) justify crimes of Ukrainian polizeis.

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Originally posted by benda
I agree with you. I'm Ukrainian and I love my country but that doesn't mean I can (or want) justify crimes of Ukrainian polizeis.

Thanks for that! And what do you think of UPA?

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Tough question. In whole I dislike UPA but some of them were real heroes who fought for their country and some were murderers. Honestly, I think it hasn't come time yet to discuss UPA. But why did you thank me?

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But I also dislike Army Kraiova who fought with UPA. I think if they had accepted Soviet aid at the beginning (Komarovsky) - at least not fighting against Army Liudova -Warsaw rebellion wouldn't have been ended so sadly.

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Oleh Tyahnybok (I hate himbecause I think he's a Nazi) can't be dangerous because "Nasha Ukraina" excluded him from the bloc - it's Yushchenko's bloc of parties. I think there are such people among Poles too. My position - national minorities must respect Ukrainian culture and language (they should know Ukrainian literature) but they must have same rights as Ukrainans (of course except doing an agitation, being a member of party). They have the lawful right to study in their own language - at least in school, readnewspapers in their own language, go to their church, keep their language and culture - but respect Ukrainian ones (doesn't mean they have to use it). So foreigners have the right to live in Ukraine providing they respect our history and culture and don't behave as hosts here. But when I hear from your compatriots of Khmelnytskyi being a criminal, me being an idiot, when they refuse to admit an obvious thing: Poland oppressed Ukraine a lot, I don't think of them anything good.

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Originally posted by benda
Oleh Tyahnybok (I hate himbecause I think he's a Nazi) can't be dangerous because "Nasha Ukraina" excluded him from the bloc - it's Yushchenko's bloc of parties. I think there are such people among Poles too. My position - national minorities must respect Ukrainian culture and language (they should know Ukrainian literature) but they must have same rights as Ukrainans (of course except doing an agitation, being a member of party). They have the lawful right to study in their own language - at least in school, readnewspapers in their own language, go to their church, keep their language and culture - but respect Ukrainian ones (doesn't mean they have to use it). So foreigners have the right to live in Ukraine providing they respect our history and culture and don't behave as hosts here. But when I hear from your compatriots of Khmelnytskyi being a criminal, me being an idiot, when they refuse to admit an obvious thing: Poland oppressed Ukraine a lot, I don't think of them anything good.

That is the history....

I know 80-old man who devoted his live to tell people of UPA murderers.
And in the last chat i had with him he told me he admired Chmielnicki a lot. Because our landlords were mentally sick and Chmielnicki could help Poles to make order. !!
That old man was the last person I suspect of liking Chmielnicki

The point is that Chmielnicki during his rebellion commited a lot of cruel (cluel, UPA-model) atroicies on Poles and Jews.
But honestly speaking - When I was searching web-sites I found that our national hero, Stefan Czarnecki was also big murderer of Jews.

So such people like You and me should shake our hands and tell I forgive and I beg forgiveness....

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It is the most progressive way I think. I am happy you are one of those, alas, not numerous Polish people who can see it.

Why is Stefan Czarnecki your national hero?
There were also such people as Potozki, Lashch, Konezpolski, Zholkevski who killed lots of Ukrainians as well.