14th SS division Galicia (Nr.1 Ukrainian)

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Originally posted by Ivan_Mazepa

I wish I knew who Oleh Tiahnybok is. (Tells you how important he is ) I ran his name on a search and came upon that he's a windbag who got expelled from Yu.'s party for his comments.
http://www.razom.org.ua/en/news/print/1472
His face does look familiar to think of it. Never heard of him before the election campaign, nor since.

Organization of Ukrainian Natinalists -they're good patriots- but I have problem with them.

A) Their methods.
They present too harsh a face and don't try to appeal to the minorities and in the near future I don't see the minorities moving away, so cooperation is needed.

B) It's a limited, regional party-> they have no chance of becoming a serious political force-> no use in voting for them, but rather focus the votes into one strong patriotically-minded party. For example, in the 90s, OUN, Respublikanska partiya, Rukh, and other national democrats would fight each other for the same votes in W. Ukraine.

C) Extreme right are not good and eventually join the extreme left (Circle of life )- like Korchynskiy from UNSO.

Thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!

I can sleep now without the nightmares. I was active on the military forum, where one Ukrainian Nationalist (he read Mein Kampf 7-times )claimed that Oleh had great national support.

[MiguelMichael]

Originally posted by Ivan_Mazepa

Organization of Ukrainian Natinalists -they're good patriots- but I have problem with them.

A) Their methods.
They present too harsh a face and don't try to appeal to the minorities and in the near future I don't see the minorities moving away, so cooperation is needed.

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how can OUN or KUN or whatever they call themselves now cooperate with minorities when its principle is Ukraine for Ukrainians?
how can any minority vote for nationalists?

[Ivan_Mazepa]

Originally posted by MiguelMichael

how can OUN or KUN or whatever they call themselves now cooperate with minorities when its principle is Ukraine for Ukrainians?
how can any minority vote for nationalists?

Exactly, they shouldn't say "Ukraine 4 Ukrainians".

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Originally posted by Ivan_Mazepa

Exactly, they shouldn't say "Ukraine 4 Ukrainians".

Of course every nation has own buffons. A lot of degenerats among Polish politicians.

[dobko]

14th GRENADIER DIVISION DER SS GALICIA (Nr.1 Ukrainian)

Commanders:
SS Brigadefuehrer Walter Schimana :: ??/7/43 - 19/11/43
SS Brigadefuehrer Fritz Freitag :: 20/11/43 - 10/5/45

Western Ukraine used to be a part of the Austrian Empire. After the break up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire Western Ukraine declared its independence, which with the help of Allies was crushed by Poland. When in 1939 the Soviet Army invaded Western Ukraine (Galicia) claiming it was freeing the Galicians, not many were happy about it. Years of communist repressions and executions of intelegencia had followed, and it was no wonder that Ukrainians had welcomed the German Army as liberators - when Germany invaded Soviet Union in 1941. In March 1943 the governer of the Lemberg Kreis (Lviv District), SS Brigandenfuehrer Otto Waechter who was well disposed to the people, had cooperated with the Central Committee (Ukrainian Representatives) and asked for permission to form a Police Regiment "Galicia". Himler took Waechter's iniciative further and proposed to enlarge the regiment to the full sized division. The level of anti-soviet feelings was so great among the people, that a massive 70,000 had volunteered. This was enough to form a complete division and another five police battalions. Around 350 officers and 2,000 NCO's had been send to various officers schools all over the Europe.

Most of the training was done in Heidelager and Neuhammer in Silesia but some recruits had to travel as far as Dennmark and France for their training. The division was visited by Heinrich Himmler, who himself supervised the training and remained very pleased about it.

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Going back to the question at the top: I think - murderers. If somebody doesn't know - Nurnberg court not only brought a verdict of guilty tothe lone fascists but also declared SS, Gestapo, SD - half of RSHA- had been criminal organizations and people who worked there had to be punished. I think we can't make an exclusion just because we are Ukrainians.

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Originally posted by benda
Going back to the question at the top: I think - murderers. If somebody doesn't know - Nurnberg court not only brought a verdict of guilty tothe lone fascists but also declared SS, Gestapo, SD - half of RSHA- had been criminal organizations and people who worked there had to be punished. I think we can't make an exclusion just because we are Ukrainians.

Unfortunately SS Galizien were excluded from Nurenberg verdict.
They were considered as freedom fighters. That is the matter of politics - they were anticommunists so western countries wanted to save them. No matter that before most of them were members of auxiliary police - very cruel murderers.
http://www.ushmm.org/uia-cgi/uia_que...query=kw110233