Lets not forget

[BohdanDragonslayer]

Lets not forget "Independance Day" for Ukraine.

"History in Verse"

From the Scythians, to the present day,
independence, liberty, we now lay.
For future generations, freedom is our aim,
behind us, we lay others history of shame.
The Monguls desire, and rape of our land,
against the invading Turks, we did stand.
Marauding Tatars, on horseback did raid,
Czarist, against the Poles did us betrayed.
Kmelnitsky with honour, did in battle fight,
against the Poles, the Cossacks a heroic light.
Petlyura, took on the Great Bear might,
for a short time, the people did excite.
Centuries of unrest, under Austrian suppress,
to the famine of Stalin, no one will confess.
Many more die, under German madness,
Communism on the land, death & sadness.
Ukraina has suffered, at the hands of plenty,
to build the new future,we seek the help of many.
With freedom on hand, and in our heart,
from this wish, need, we must all never part.

...Copyright ╘2002 Bohdan Yurkiv

&

INDEPENDENCE DAY 24th AUSUST

"Ukraina"

With love for Ukraina
in our heart,
to defend her independance,
is our due part.

Her national colours,
of yellow & blue,
represents the horizon,
on which our parents grew.

The colour blue,
is for the free sky,
yellow for the steppes,
on which the Cossacks died.

Her literature and Schevchenko,
we all do cherish,
her culture and traditions,
will never perish.

Love & pride in Ukraina,
we all grew,
her continued independance,
we all must pursue.

Copyright ╘2002 Bohdan Yurkiv

[Nickolas]

Hymn to Providence

Shout for joy to Yahweh, all virtuous men,
praise comes well from upright hearts;
give thanks to Yahweh on the lyre,
play to him on the ten-string harp;
sing a new song in his honor,
play with all your skill as you acclaim him!
The word of Yawweh is integrity itself,
all he does is done faithfully;
he loves virtue and justice,
Yahweh's love fills the earth.

By the word of Yahweh the heavens were made,
their whole array by the breath of his mouth;
he collects the ocean waters as though in a wineskin,
he stores the deeps in cellars.

Let the whole world fear Yahweh,
let all who live on earth revere him!
He spoke, and it was created;
he commanded, and there it stood.

Yahweh thwarts the plans of nations,
frustrates the intentions of peoples;
but Yahweh's plans hold good for ever,
the intentions of his heart from age to age.

Happy the nation whose God is Yahweh,
the people he has chosen for his heritage.

Yahweh looks down from heaven,
he sees the whole human race;
from where he sits he watches
all who live on the earth,
he who molds every heart
and takes note of all men do.

A large army will not keep a king safe,
nor does the hero escape by his great strength;
it is delusion to rely on the horse for safety,
for all its power, it cannot save.

But see how the eye of Yahweh is on those who fear him,
on those who rely on his love,
to rescue their souls from death
and keep them alive in famine.

Our soul awaits Yahweh,
he is our help and shield;
our hearts rejoice in him,
we trust in his holy name.
Yahweh, let your love rest on us
as our hope has rested in you.

Psalm 33: 1-22

[Volodya987]

For BohdanDragonslayer:
oYo Krai I Na:Ani 1 Ark oYo.
For Nicholas:
ъ бЮЮ? You Sure?
ч va, spinning once every 24 hours and round the Sun once every 365 and 1/4 days.
Where does ъ go? Relative to Earth (ч), The Sun (ъ) is fixed.

[zhuk]

For those ukrainians, who still live in our ukrainians dust, your lirics seems too pathetic.

[Feodor]

zhuk

I think we all know you are the pathetic type zhuk, considering you own up as being Russian & not Ukrainian.... obviously you are not proud of the fact & prefer to be Russian in the eyes of others.
No wonder you have no brain .. suggest you read Dragonslayers WebSite ... http://www.bohdanyurkiv.cityslide.com
he seems to have done more for Ukraine than your rubbishing of it.

[Zbyszek]

Originally posted by Feodor
zhuk

I think we all know you are the pathetic type zhuk, considering you own up as being Russian & not Ukrainian.... obviously you are not proud of the fact & prefer to be Russian in the eyes of others.
No wonder you have no brain .. suggest you read Dragonslayers WebSite ... http://www.bohdanyurkiv.cityslide.com
he seems to have done more for Ukraine than your rubbishing of it.

I took some time and read historic remarks on Bohdan's website. I appreciate his effort but historic remarks concerning history of Western Ukraine can not be considered objective. A reader gets an impression that Rzeczpospolita only supressed national feelings of Ukrainians and its role was definitely destructive. On the other hand, Khmyelnitski is described as an unhappy liberator displaying good intentions.
In fact Lviv is an example of a tolerant policy of Rzeczpospolita, otherwise this town just could not grow so beautiful. As Bohdan mentions, Lviv is a town of Four Cathedrals (RC, Orth. GC and Armenian).
The social oppression at Rzeczpospolita times was a commonplace in Europe. Bohdan Yurkiv fails to say that Khyemlnitski did not postulate national but SOCIAL liberty in Ukraine. There were no Ukrainians as a nation at that time. He also fails to mention that Khyelnitski left a heritage of terrible destruction of Ukrainian territory.
My view is that Kmyelnitski was enfant terrible of Ukrainian history bringing his own land plenty of unhappiness. His brutality, applied even to his once beloved wife must have been ultimately destructive example for his people.
Moreover, I can ask: where were the Ruthenian nobles at that time??? Did they defend their cultural heritage?
Next issue which is definitely missing: Poland gave Ukraine not only a social/religious suppression but also hundred thousands of poor settlers from Vistula valleys who en masse quickly turned into Ruthenians changing their language and religion. That type of colonization is often missed by Ukrainian historians.
So Fedor, you call Zhuk pathetic but your source does not offer a good historic understanding but rather supports a romantic myth.
By the same token, fall of Rzeczpospolita should not be seen as a mole work of external forces but rather a result of internal weakness.
Bohdan Yurkiv mentions Ukrainian resettlement Action Vistula 1947, but he fails to mention its important reason: wild, extreme nationalism worshiped by OUN/UPA, costing plenty of innocent lives, both Polish and Ukrainian). Had not UPA moved to the Carpathians (west to the Curzon line) right after WWII, applying its brutal terror, there would have been no reason to resettle Ukrainians to Northern/Western Poland. I do not approve of Action Vistula but in this case, the authors's silence is quite significant. Blind nationalism of OUN/UPA led to Wolyn tragedy and its estimated harvest was over 100 000 of civilians killed in the most brutal, heinous way.

[Edited by Zbyszek on 15th September 2003 at 18:35]

[NZman]

Originally posted by Zbyszek


I took some time and read historic remarks on Bohdan's website. I appreciate his effort but historic remarks concerning history of Western Ukraine can not be considered objective.

How rich is that coming from you dude... Maybe you should quote the Pollack from Birmingham Uni again

Love the NZman

BTW,

Zhuk is a prize tax dodging cockmaster of the first-water. Who I shall be grassing to the MBC again bribe time donut pusher