Ukrainska Povstanska Armiya

[Bartosz]

And by the way, opinion of Norman's Davies in 'Poland - they playground of goods' would be instructive for you.

[Nonson]

I don't believe so. You see, I have no dog in this fight. If I need information I have the address of the place where there is over 30 million words written by respected historians the world over regarding the UPA. The only reason I got into this is due to the depressing nature the argument. Peace

[This message has been edited by Nonson (edited 31 October 2000).]

[steve_vlasenko]

Bartosz,
I don't have the time to fully respond, but could you give me the names of Authors who ain't affiliated to organizations such as the Progressive Labor Party or the Socialist Workers Party?

Commission of Inquiry on War Crimes" by Honorable Justice Jules Deschenes, Commissioner Ottawa Dec. 30, 1986 Concluded that there were no cases to be answered. End off.

Instead of just reading Polish historians of Ukrainian history or those as mentioned above affiliated to international communist parties, why not look at Andrew Wilson's; Ukrainian Nationalism A Minority Faith. He is neither Ukrainian or Polish and gives and unbiased, non-hysterical view of the UPA and OUN.
I will bring some evidence to the table of the lies propagated about the UPA on Friday.
Take care,
Vlas.

[Shevster]

A publication by the CPGB, based on information from the Soviet Union placed Bandera, in the north of Ukraine butchering Russian citizens whilst a Polish Traditionalist journal placed Bandera in Galicia on the same day slaughtering the Polish. They do not just place the UPA there, they definitely name Bandera as leading the assaults. I will find the reference and post them later.

As I am a Galician Jew (secular and by ethnicity only), I find Bandera very troubling, but what I do know is revisionist historians especially the commies used Bandera's 'atrocities' as a weapon in their attempt to deny the famine of 1932/3. Centres of Russian studies were full of CP members in the 1970's and as they were publishing the academic work naturally the UPA took a bashing.

Despite the wealth off supposed evidence against the UPA, to my knowledge none of them have ever been convicted of war crimes. Not even by the Israelis. Strange that!

Balance is always needed.

Stepan

[LippyChick]

Bartoz,

Isn't your position just an attempt to reassert Polish nationalism over Halych?
Surely if there was this abundance of evidence against the UPA & OUN then someone would have been brought to trial. The reference to Rwanda is pointless, where is Rwanda's Mossad? Britain has just kicked out rather than deal with a Latvian war criminal and prosecuted a Belarus criminal too. If there were Ukrainian war criminals in the UK they'd have been prosecuted or exposed to the nation at least.

Are you not aware the Mossad would have probably kidnapped any UPA member in the west if there was evidence against them.

Anyone can read a one sided history of event's, me included, but you wont find anything like the truth that way.

LippyChick

[Bartosz]

Hello fellows.

Sorry that I dared to impair your general moral authority. But if anybody relies on legends distributed by bloody veterans, without even trying to confront them with facts, don't expect your innocent visions will be accepted outside your common adoration society.

Some of you don't read my mails carefully. You were asking the historical resources. Say, neutral (you don't like these Polish). No problem. Here I give few interesting references:

1. Norman Davies. Profesor of history on Oxford University. I'm not sure if profesor on OU is enough credible authority for some of you. He isn't neither nazi nor nationalist, so his opinions may be not your cup of tea.

'Europe. A history.' (Copyright by Norman Davies 1996.). Chapter XI - 'Tenebrae'. Page 1098 (Polish edition), note 'Buczacz':
a) the description of the attack of UPA on the town Barycz, resulting in murder of 126 Poles, man, woman and children. January 1944.
b)Mass murder by UPA of 90 Poles in Kro°ciatyn (summer 1943).
c) Mass murder by UPA of 78 Poles in Kro°ciatyn (28 january 1944).

And many another examples.

According to Davies from German and Ucrainian hands were killed on Wolyn 140.000 Jews. They both cooperated with success in extermination.

And about the ciphres of Polish victims of UPA on Wolyn according to different historians:
- Norman Davies: 60.000 - 500.000
- 60.000 to 80.000 killed by Jan P. Gross (Polish society under German occupation, Princetown, New York 1979)
- 300.000 to 400.000 by The Polish Governmental Comission of investigeting the acts of crimes against Polish nation.

As for the crimes commited on Jews:

- Martin Gilbert. Atlas of the Holocaust. London 1982.

Hated by Ucrainian diaspora Victor Poliszczuk, who lives at present in Toronto documented thousands of reports of acts of usuall crimes comitted on civil population of Poles by UPA. Read this (written by Ucrainian):
'Bitter truth: criminal activity of UPA'
'Ideology of ucrainian nationalism by Dmytr Doncov'.

Good apetite. When one sees such a heroic veteran think twice before belive what he speaks.

[steve_vlasenko]

Norman Davies is if I'm not mistaken was a member of the CPGB. An organization that attempted to rehabilitate Stalin up until 1991. Anything published by members of the CPGB should be viewed caution.

Again Davies like most of his cohorts attempts to lump the Ukrainian First Division Halicia in with the UPA. As the UFDH we exonerated from any war crimes in 1945, 1986 & 1998 it suited the historians to transfer the lies to the UPA. One great example of lies about the UFDH was their participation in the liquidation of the Warszawa ghetto. They were not formed until a year after the event yet esteemed historians were laying blame on them for years.

A number of history book Davies included are based upon files recover from the KGB. An organization famous for misinformation and one of whose aims were to suppress Ukrainian nationalism.

Beside my Polish friend Ukrainian nationalism in west Ukraine was a result of Polish lies and repression.

Fact.

1924. Poland reneged on the promises it made in 1923 to allow Halicia an autonomous government. Banned the use of Ukrainian in any state organization and in any document pertaining to business. "Budaenko: Poland's Ukrainian Problem"
Polish education minister Stanislav Grabski turn Ukrainian language schools in to 'bilingual' schools. Bilingual in the sense that all lessons were to be taught in polish and Ukrainian was to be taught as a foreign language. "John Paul Himka: Western Ukraine in the Interwar Period
Ukrainian Institutions were harassed and closed. "A Wilson: Ukrainian Nationalism"
3,000,000 Poles were encouraged to settle in Halicia "Orest Subtelny: Ukraine a History" Similarities with some modern problem methinks!

This suppression of the Ukrainian conscious gave rise to even greater Ukrainian nationalism and the anti-polish groups such as the OUN. "A Wilson"

Despite the best efforts of Henryk Jozewski governor from 1928 -38 to isolate Volhynia from Halicia the tradition link were revived and the Ukrainian movement regained much of the ground it had lost under Russian rule from 1795 - 1917. "Orest: Ukraine"

Poland historical repressed Ukrainian culture and brought about a rise of Ukrainian Nationalism.

As for the UPA involvement in the mass murder of Jews. What year did Bandera take charge of the UPA? What year were the nazis kicked out of Ukraine? The final solution against Ukrainian Jews was in its final stages before the UPA under Bandera were in full swing.

One must be careful to read around all the history of the events rather than just pick a simple one sided view, that is nothing but a recipe for hate.

Take care

Vlas.