Ukrainska Povstanska Armiya

[Bartosz]

IT'S FASCINATING TO OBSERVE HOW LONG TIME IT TAKES SOME OF YOU FELLOWS ANSWERING MY MAILS. IN THE CASE OF ONE OF THEM IT WAS ONE HOUR AND FEW MINUTES, WHAT, TAKING UNDER ACCOUNT EXEPTIONAL POWERTY OF THE CONTENT OF THEIR MAILS,IS A SORT OF CURIOSUM[SOMETHING STRANGE AND AMUSING]. OF COURSE, FEW EXPLANATIONS ARE POSSIBLE: MY HARSH STYLE, UNADOPTED TO ELOQUENCE OF MY INTERLECUTORS, DUTY HOURS OF THEIR WORK, IMPOSING TIME SHARING BETWEEN CONCENTRATION ON SUBJECT AND SERVICING CUSTOMERS LOOKING FOR COLONIAL ARTICLES.
OF COURSE LINGUISTIC EQUILIBRISTICS CONSISTING IN MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF THE MOLEHILL NEEDS EFFORT, WHAT HAS MISERABLE IMPACT ON SUBSTANTIAL CONTENT OF THE MAILS.
IN FOR A PENNY, IN FOR A POUND. OF COURSE THIS RULE DOESN'T CONCERN EVERYBODY. ONE OF MY NOBLE INTERLECUTORS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS FASCINATIONG DISCUSSION HAS PROBLEM WITH DOCUMENTING HIS ORYGINAL IDEAS. I MEAN MYTHIC MEMBERSHIP OF NORMAN DAVIES IN CPGB. NO SINGLE WORD ABOUT IT IN PREFACE. EVEN IN THIS IN THE POLISH EDITION. EXPLAIN ME WHERE'S THE GRAAL OF YOUR DEDUCTION, I'M IMPATIENT FOR IT.
AS FOR ANOTHER AMUSING ASPECT OF THE CONVERSATION, PARTICIPATION IN NEGATING THE GENOCIDE ON UkRAINE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR CONVOLUTED LOGIC.WHEN DAVIES WRITES ON FEW PAGES PAGES ABOUT MILIONS OF VICTIMS OF FEMINE ON UKRAINE, IT'S WRONG, BECAUSE HE ALLEGADLY QUOTES ANOTHE AUTHOR (HAVING, I GUESS, SIMILAR OPINION AS ONE OF MY NOBLE INTERLECUTORS).
SO HOW DOES IT WORK: HAVING NEGATIVE OPINION ON UPA : WRONG. HAVING NEGATIVE OPINION ON GENOCIDE ON UkRAINE: ALSO WRONG. BUT WHY? BECAUSE OF THE WRONG OPINION ON UPA?

THIS MOTIV OF KGB ORYGINS FROM REPORTS OF POLISH VICTIMS OF UPA IS LEGENDARY AS N.D. MEMBERSHIP CPGB. I GUESS THAT IT'S SOME KINN OF THERMINOLOGY: 'OF KGB'S ORYGINS' MEANS IN SOME OF MY NOBLE DISCUTANTS PRIVATE DICTIONARY 'SOMETHING WRONG ABOUT UPA'.
AS FOR MOSSAD'S IMPOTENCE IN POLAND I'M GIVING UP, YOUR ARGUMENTS PREVAILED: SIMPLY THEY HAD NOBODY TO PERSECUTE THERE?
AS FOR PERSECUTION OF UPA BY KGB, FIGHT OF FOLKS FROM THIS ORGANISATION WOULD BE EVEN FUNNY IF NOT THE FACT, THAT IT CONSISTED IN ETHNIC CLEANSING, WHAT, EN SOMME, CHANGED PERCEPTION OF THEIR ACTIVITY FROM LIBERATIONAL TO CRIMINAL IN THE LIGHT OF THE INTERNATIONAL LAW.

KISSES.

[Nonson]

Now we are looking more like persons of merit. All you felloes need is a prod here and a prod there. Now hows abouts some blood on the floor?

[steve_vlasenko]

Bartosz, old chap, more thesaurus fueled rantings from Silesias greatest historian.
Once more into the┘

IT'S FASCINATING TO OBSERVE HOW LONG TIME IT TAKES SOME OF YOU FELLOWS ANSWERING MY MAILS. IN THE CASE OF ONE OF THEM IT WAS ONE HOUR AND FEW MINUTES, WHAT, TAKING UNDER ACCOUNT EXEPTIONAL POWERTYOF THE CONTENT OF THEIR MAILS,IS A SORT OF CURIOSUM[SOMETHING STRANGE AND AMUSING]. OF COURSE, FEW EXPLANATIONS ARE POSSIBLE: MY HARSH STYLE, UNADOPTED TO ELOQUENCE OF MY INTERLECUTORS, DUTY HOURS OF THEIR WORK, IMPOSING TIME SHARING BETWEEN CONCENTRATION ON SUBJECT AND SERVICING CUSTOMERS LOOKING FOR COLONIAL ARTICLES. ~~~ What in the name of God are you going on about? What language is this in? What has it got to do with the UPA? Stick to the point, or your INTERLECUTORS will stop listening (I love it when people use obsolete English words to sound intellectual )

OF COURSE LINGUISTIC EQUILIBRISTICS CONSISTING IN MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF THE MOLEHILL NEEDS EFFORT, WHAT HAS MISERABLE IMPACT ON SUBSTANTIAL CONTENT OF THE MAILS. ~~~ Relevance to the UPA?

IN FOR A PENNY, IN FOR A POUND. OF COURSE THIS RULE DOESN'T CONCERN EVERYBODY. ONE OF MY NOBLE INTERLECUTORS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS FASCINATIONG DISCUSSION HAS PROBLEM WITH DOCUMENTING HIS ORYGINAL IDEAS. I MEAN MYTHIC MEMBERSHIP OF NORMAN DAVIES IN CPGB. NO SINGLE WORD ABOUT IT IN PREFACE. EVEN IN THIS IN THE POLISH EDITION. EXPLAIN ME WHERE'S THE GRAAL OF YOUR DEDUCTION, I'M IMPATIENT FOR IT. ~~~ You don▓t even know what University he taught at, yet you are practically this chaps biographer (in your own mind anyway), so how can I evidence it any further? Other than introducing the man to you!!! Do you understand ▒inference▓? YES or NO? If the answer▓s yes, then go to the preface. If the answers no, then get a dictionary out and then return to the preface. If you▓d read anything other than your one book you▓d know a little bit more about Davis. Are you aware of CRESS and SESS? Again a simple YES or NO will do. If the answer is YES then you▓ll be able to find out to your hearts content all the reference you need. If the answer is NO then it▓s time to do some research.
Don▓t you think you should get off you hemorrhoid hotel and follow just one or two of the leads I▓ve given you? It would make your argument far less vacuous.

AS FOR ANOTHER AMUSING ASPECT OF THE CONVERSATION, PARTICIPATION IN NEGATING THE GENOCIDE ON UkRAINE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR CONVOLUTED LOGIC.WHEN DAVIES WRITES ON FEW PAGES PAGES ABOUT MILIONS OF VICTIMS OF FEMINE ON UKRAINE, IT'S WRONG, BECAUSE HE ALLEGADLY QUOTES ANOTHE AUTHOR (HAVING, I GUESS, SIMILAR OPINION AS ONE OF MY NOBLE INTERLECUTORS).
SO HOW DOES IT WORK: HAVING NEGATIVE OPINION ON UPA : WRONG. HAVING NEGATIVE OPINION ON GENOCIDE ON UkRAINE: ALSO WRONG. BUT WHY? BECAUSE OF THE WRONG OPINION ON UPA? ~~~ The one and only book in your collection, The ▒seminal▓ text by Davis is a collection of reference by other people. He states in the beginning that nothing is new in the entire book. That▓s why everything on the UPA is from tainted sources, i.e. The Polish Communist commission┘ etc. I suggest you read anything by Andrew Gregorovich, John Coutividice (a Polish historian), Taras Kuzio and Anthony Wilson if you want information on basing arguments on tainted KGB evidence. I have already given you these references, but you either choose not to chase them up or can▓t read English! Which is it: confused:
As for the famine, he takes the information from Robert Conquest, which is correct, when did I say he was wrong? If you▓d read any other text on European history you▓d have found that almost everybody does. He doesn▓t support of denounce the famine in this section preferring to regurgitate straight from Conquest. Can you not appreciate, if not understand this?


THIS MOTIV OF KGB ORYGINS FROM REPORTS OF POLISH VICTIMS OF UPA IS LEGENDARY AS N.D. MEMBERSHIP CPGB. I GUESS THAT IT'S SOME KINN OF THERMINOLOGY: 'OF KGB'S ORYGINS' MEANS IN SOME OF MY NOBLE DISCUTANTS PRIVATE DICTIONARY 'SOMETHING WRONG ABOUT UPA'.~~~ That is the worst gibberish you▓ve ever written and that is saying something. The KGB almost certainly didn▓t interview any Poles or Ukrainians or Russians, they made the information up, hence the tainted nature of the source Are you aware of the soviet show trails? Once more a simple YES or NO will do. Follow the above mention procedure.
If the KGB could send people to the larger on fake information and false evidence (international accepted fact), then why are you having a problem comprehending that they faked files on the UPA? Do you think you could answer this question?

AS FOR MOSSAD'S IMPOTENCE IN POLAND I'M GIVING UP, YOUR ARGUMENTS PREVAILED: SIMPLY THEY HAD NOBODY TO PERSECUTE THERE? ~~~ Not just in Poland, but in the Diaspora, which includes Canada, USA, UK Belgium and Australia.

AS FOR PERSECUTION OF UPA BY KGB, FIGHT OF FOLKS FROM THIS ORGANISATION WOULD BE EVEN FUNNY IF NOT THE FACT, THAT IT CONSISTED IN ETHNIC CLEANSING, WHAT, EN SOMME, CHANGED PERCEPTION OF THEIR ACTIVITY FROM LIBERATIONAL TO CRIMINAL IN THE LIGHT OF THE INTERNATIONAL LAW. ~~~ KGB? Are you actually talking about the NKVD? Ethnic cleansing, very emotive language Bartosz, as mentioned before (with references) the Poles were guilty of attempting to destroy all that was Ukrainian in Halicia and as such created the Ukrainian radical movement. You brought the OUN on yourself by denying Ukrainians any rights.
As for ethnic cleansing, show me the evidence of the mass murder of Poles by Ukrainians. Don▓t bring once more to the table evidence gleamed from Davis book by Polish communist commission.

One final point why not read a little bit more than good old Norm's book and then you▓d:-
a/ have a better understanding of the subject and
b/ be able to argue without all the smoke and mirrors to disguise your ignorance.
Radical Ideas


How old are you old chap? Come on answer the question

Vlas

P.S. I▓d get someone to look at your keyboard, it seems your Caps Lock key is knackered

[Shevster]

Originally posted by Bartosz:
IT'S FASCINATING TO OBSERVE HOW LONG TIME IT TAKES SOME OF YOU FELLOWS ANSWERING MY MAILS. IN THE CASE OF ONE OF THEM IT WAS ONE HOUR AND FEW MINUTES, WHAT, TAKING UNDER ACCOUNT EXEPTIONAL POWERTY OF THE CONTENT OF THEIR MAILS,IS A SORT OF CURIOSUM[SOMETHING STRANGE AND AMUSING]. OF COURSE, FEW EXPLANATIONS ARE POSSIBLE: MY HARSH STYLE, UNADOPTED TO ELOQUENCE OF MY INTERLECUTORS, DUTY HOURS OF THEIR WORK, IMPOSING TIME SHARING BETWEEN CONCENTRATION ON SUBJECT AND SERVICING CUSTOMERS LOOKING FOR COLONIAL ARTICLES.

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Bartosz,

I'll come over next week to get some of the stuff your using It is obviously better than anything I can get my hands on

By the way I took the afternoon of work, if you're that concerned about when I'm replying.

However I would stick to the topic. It about how Ukrainians are to blame for everything! Sorry that's your other topic. This one about how everybody who died in Poland during WW2 was killed by the UPA

[Nonson]

With all the yelling going on and the goodly load of half-truths being told, plus the zany logic, I'm getting evermore confused as to what the elements of the story might be. Think maybe a cold dose of reality might get you fellows back on a rational track? Peace

[steve_vlasenko]

Written by Jews not Ukrainians, without nationalistic bias in favour of Ukraine or Poland. Hard to swallow for the haters of Ukrainian freedom.

Ukrainian Insurgent Army
(UPA), military arm of the Bandera wing of the Orhanizatsyia Ukrainskykh Natsionalistiv (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists; OUN). In the late summer of 1942, OUN emissaries, headed by Vasyl Sidor, went to Volhynia to organize armed independent Ukrainian formations in the area and found resistance groups that had already sprung up. Among them were the Poliska Sich (Unit of Polesye) units, commanded by Maksim Borovets, whose code name was Taras Bulba. The emissaries sought to unite the groups and consolidate them into a Ukrainian national army; the first unit came into being on October 14, 1942, the date on which the UPA is regarded as having been established. On December 1, 1942, when the Ukrainisches Legion (Ukrainian Legion), which included the Nachtigall and Roland units, was disbanded, a group of Ukrainian officers escaped to join the UPA. One of them was Roman Shukhevych, who was appointed commander of the UPA, with the code name Taras Chuprynka. In March 1943, six thousand men of the Ukrainische Hilfspolizei (Ukrainian Auxiliary Policedeserted from their unit in Volhynia, taking their arms with them, and joined the UPA, adding to its strength and speeding up its consolidation. In mid - 1943, UPA units began to form in Eastern Galicia, Bukovina , and Ruthenia as well.
Reorganization.
In September 1943, the UPA's organization was changed: the military staff of the OUN became the headquarters of the UPA, and Lieutenant Colonel Shukhevych ("General Chuprynka") was appointed its commander. UPA operations were split up into four areas: (a) North: Volhynia and Polesye; (b) West: Eastern Galicia, Bukovina , Ruthenia , and the San River area; (c) and (d) South and East: parts of the Soviet Ukraine in its 1939 borders. Areas (c) and (d) existed as such for a short time only, and were abolished when the Soviet army recaptured the region. UPA units were reorganized in order to improve their tactical and military flexibility and to enable them to operate as an underground. The basic unit was the battalion (kuren), consisting of four hundred to eight hundred fighters, which was subdivided into companies (Sotnia), platoons (choten), and squads (roy).
In the second half of 1944 the UPA began to attack the German seizing equipment and capturing soldiers in the rear of German combat units. The Germans reacted by launching large - scale raids. On June 15, 1944, a council was established, the Ukrainska Holovna Vyzvolna Rada (Supreme Ukrainian Council of Liberation; UHVR), to serve the UPA as its political and public framework. Prior to the German retreat in mid - 1944, the UPA controlled central and southern Volhynia and wide areas of Eastern Galicia, such as the Bobrka, Przemysl Berezhany, and Rogatin subdistricts.
Struggle with the Soviet and Polish Authorities.
When the Red Army liberated the western Ukraine (between July 22 and October 3, 1944), the UPA entered into a bitter struggle with the Soviet authorities. At the beginning of 1945, it began an armed conflict with the Polish authorities in the southern part of the Lublin district and in the San River area. Both the Soviets and the Poles had to divert large security forces, as well as military units, to deal with the UPA. UPA forces ambushed and killed Soviet general Nikolai Vatutin, the officer commanding the First Ukrainian Front (March 2, 1944), and Polish general Karol Swierczewski, one of the commanders of the Polish army (March 28, 1947), as well as large numbers of officers, policemen.
The Liquidation of the Organization.
It was not until some time after the end of the war, in the summer of 1947, that the Soviets, Poles, and Czechs coordinated their operations against the UPA and dealt it the decisive blow, in which General Chuprynka (Shukhevych) was killed. By the beginning of 1948, the organization was totally liquidated; most of its men fell in battle, and only a few groups, each numbering several dozen, were able to make their way through Czechoslovakia to the American zone in Germany The Soviets exiled tens of thousands of Ukrainians and emptied entire villages of their inhabitants; the Poles transferred all the Ukrainians from the San River area and the southern Lublin district into the German areas that it had annexed in the west.

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No one is guilt free in this period, but some of us can't deal with the fact that Poles helped the Soviet Union keep control of Ukraine.
Vlas.

[Bartosz]

Originally posted by steve_vlasenko
[...]No one is guilt free in this period, but some of us can't deal with the fact that Poles helped the Soviet Union keep control of Ukraine.
Vlas.

- in which part of Ukraine, Vlas: Western Pommerania?!