Painfull events in common Polish - Ukrainian history...

[Fitch]

Bartosz
The Poles suppressed Ukrainian identity and denied them freedom, so the Ukrainians responded in the time-honored way of the oppressed. They used terrorism / Became freedom fighters. Look at South Africa. The Poles treated the Ukrainians as Sub-humans so what could they expect.

As the topic actually refers to both countries, why did the Poles do all the inhuman things to ethnic Ukrainians in the 1930's? Don't come back with some bollix about the UPA until you've answered this question.

Fitch

[steve_vlasenko]

Originally posted by Bartosz:
Vlas, what wil be next? How much is 2+2?

That'll be 4. If you need any further help with advanced mathematics please do not hesitate to ask me.

Vlas

[steve_vlasenko]

Originally posted by Bartosz:

[...]TO DAMAGE INDEPENDENT [...] - THE BIGGEST WRONG WAS DANE TO UKRAINE BY CRIMINAL FELLOWS FROM UPA.THE REST IS OF NO IMPORTANCE.

This statement says everything about you Bartosz. Either your Polish nationalism blinds you from rational debate or you're a dimwit with a thesaurus. Which is it?

It is supreme arrogance to say nothing else is relevant, but hey you knew that already

Polish nationalists... They can't see the wood for the trees

Vlas.

By the way a Dane is a person from Denmark, just to let you know

[Shevster]

Bartosz,

What are you attempting to prove? When you posted this topic I genuinely believed you were looking for a forum to discuss the problems Ukraine and Poland have had and how best to move forward together. As the Polish government is doing.

Instead Fitch is right, you▓ve just posted a topic so you can sound off about how much Poland has been wronged by Ukraine. Your brash rudeness and unwillingness to debate is an embarrassment, for all of Poland.
The questions for me at least are why are you doing this? What is your agenda?

People have responded to your statement and questions, but all you can do is reply with at best feeble sarcasm at worst down right rudeness. Again I ask you what are you trying to prove. What is your purpose in doing this?

Historical debate is not one person saying I am right and I▓m not listening to anything anybody else says, because I know I▓m right. That is just moronic. If you don▓t like Ukrainians then why are you on Ukraine.com? Other than to cause trouble

Don▓t accuse me of supporting any side. I would just like a sensible debate rather than attempted sarcasm and rudeness.

Stepan

[Bartosz]

"Why all the shouting? [...]" - FITCH HONEY, WHAT SHOUTING DID YOU MEAN? I HAVE NO RECORDER IN MY PC. I WONDER WHAT FROM RESULTED SIMILAR 'OF MULTI MEDIA' REMARK!

"Is that why you lost you temper?" - WHAT PREMISSES LET YOU DRAW SIMILAR CONCLUSIONS?

"[...]they'll enable you to get a grasp of these words and then you'll understand why it's so easy to read your nationalism."
- JUST LIKE YOUR PREVIOUS THEORY DETERMINING NATIONALISM FROM GEOGRAPHICAL POSITION OF PLACE OF BIRTH OF CONSIDERED PERSON, THIS THEORY IS ANOTHER CURIOSUM (IT'S TAKEN FROM LATIN, IT MEANS SOMETHING SO EXTREMALLY STRANGE, THAT EVEN FUNNY). FROM YOUR STETEMENT RESULTS CONCLUSION THAT THE RANGE OF VOCABULARY DETERMINES NATIONALISTIC VIEW OF INTERLECUTOR. BRAVO. TELL ME SINCIRELLY, DO YOU BELIVE PERPETUUM MOBILE (DON'T MISTAKE WITH MOBILE).

"Is this topic about the UPA now? " - NO FITCH, BUT CRIMES COMMITED BY UPA ON POLISH CIVIL POPULATION ARE THE NEWEST AND THE BEST REMEMBERED IN POLISH SOCIETY.

"You're a little obsessed with them, but I guess all Polish nationalist are." - YOU DIN'T MAKE OUT YOUR MIND TO PRESENT YOUR VERSION OF DEFINITION OF NOTION OF NATIONALISM, SO SINCIRELLY I SIMPLY WONDER IF THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE USES TO WRITE ABOUT, DOES HE WRITES WHAT IS HIS TRUE INTENTION? MAYBE HE HAS ANOTHER INTENTION BUT HAS PROBLEMS WITH CORRECT EXPRESSING HIMSELF?

"[...]Why?" - WHY DO YOU THINK I'M UPSET? I DON'T KNOW. I ASSUME YOU HAVE YOUR REASONS.

"Now if you're going to [...]" - I'M COOL AND I'M PRESENTING ARGUMENTS. THE ONLY THING I'M MISSING IS READING THEM AUDIENCE.

[Bartosz]

FITCH, OLD MATE!

"The Poles suppressed Ukrainian identity and denied them freedom[...]" - THAT I'M INCLINED TO AGREE. CONTROVERSIAL WOULD BE THE SCALE.

"[...]They used terrorism [...]" - JUSTYFYING TERRORISM WHEN ARE STILL ACCESSIBLE CONSTITUTIONAL WAYS OF SOLVING TENSIONS IS INADMITTABLE. IN ANY WAY TAKING REVANGE ON CIVIL POPULATION (I MEAN LATTER EVENTS ON WOLYN) CAN'T BE JUSTIFIED BY ANY EXPLANATION.

"The Poles treated the Ukrainians as Sub-humans so what could they expect." - WHICH PERIOD OF S.A. HISTORY DO YOU USE AS EXAMPLE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT ATTITUDE TAKE TOWARDS THIS REMARK.

"[...]why did the Poles do all the inhuman things to ethnic Ukrainians in the 1930's? "
- WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY 'INHUMAN THINK'? BE MORE PRECISE. USE DATES AND PLACES, SOME LITTLE EXPLANATION OF YOUR VIEW ON FACT WOULD BE WELCOME.

"Don't come back with some bollix about the UPA until you've answered this question." - I WILL TRYE TO SATISFY THE DEEPEST DESIRES OF YOUR SUBCONSCIOUSNESS. BUT GIVE ME THE HAND, ANSWER MY 2 ABOVE QUESTIONS.

[Bartosz]

"[...]If you need any further help with advanced mathematics [...] - I DON'T WANT TO BE CONTROVERSIAL, BUT TRYE NOT TO SPREAD YOUR OPINION, THAT MENTIONNED OPERATION YOU CONSIDER TO BE ADVANCED MATHEMATICS. JUST FOR YOUR OWN GOOD. IN ANY CASE ME, I WILL BE DISCRETE...