Who is the most important historical figure in Ukrainian history?

[Max_the_Highlander]

No chances, he gave his heart to Ekaterine II.

The biggest Ukrainian ever is Prince Volodymyr.

I agree with previous posters he could teach modern Ukrainians many things.

[Zbyszek]

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

The biggest Ukrainian ever is Prince Volodymyr.

I agree with previous posters he could teach modern Ukrainians many things.

Yes Max, prince Vladimir (Volodymyr) was as much Ukrainian as I am the pope.
Volodymyr was the Grand Prince of Kyivan Rus'.
I do support Kathy's vote.


(Should I think some Polish tribes named Polanie held Kyiv in the VIIth century? ha ha)

[Max_the_Highlander]

Originally Posted by Zbyszek

Yes Max, prince Vladimir (Volodymyr) was as much Ukrainian as I am the pope.

Oh this charming Russian accent... Vladimir... vodka, perestroyka, balalayka.

The guy was Kyivan Prince. Technically Ukrainians didn't existed yet but those ancient Kyivan tribes are ancestors of Ukrainians, right? So this is quite legal legacy. Let's call him the greatest pra-Ukrainian.

Zbyszek... exotic name... is it American Indian? It sounds like that.

Anyway, now Savic Shooster conducts the big TV project "The Greates Ukrainians" when people vote for the greatest ones and we have the last 10 pretenders. Btw, Stepan Bandera is among them same as Bogdan Chmelnitsky.

Few days later we will know who is democratically elected The Greatest Ukrainian.

[bm-21Lemko]

He is one of my favorites as well, Prince Vladimir. He is of Norwegian and Swedish ancestry. One of his ancestors was Olafur INGJALDSSON from Sweden.

His ancestors were Norsemen, mostly Swedes, who went eastwards and southwards through what is now Russia, Belarus and Ukraine mainly in the 9th and 10th centuries.

But as for a sub-enthnosis my favorite is Ivan Rusenko, "the teacher"

[Zbyszek]

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

Oh this charming Russian accent... Vladimir... vodka, perestroyka, balalayka.

The guy was Kyivan Prince. Technically Ukrainians didn't existed yet but those ancient Kyivan tribes are ancestors of Ukrainians, right? So this is quite legal legacy. Let's call him the greatest pra-Ukrainian.

Zbyszek... exotic name... is it American Indian? It sounds like that.

Anyway, now Savic Shooster conducts the big TV project "The Greates Ukrainians" when people vote for the greatest ones and we have the last 10 pretenders. Btw, Stepan Bandera is among them same as Bogdan Chmelnitsky.

Few days later we will know who is democratically elected The Greatest Ukrainian.

Hi Max,

1. I gave two name versions.
2. So technically Adam and Eva were maybe the greatest pra-pra-pra-Ukrainians. Congrats.
3. It is just smaller version old Slavic name Zgi-Gniew (like Yaro-gniew) means Deprived of Fear. It should be spelled Zbyshek. Yes, I know it is difficult for the Anglo-Saxons to pronounce. Not for you I guess.
4. So you have Bandera on the list - another throat slitter along with tragic Bohdan. Too bad. I'd vote for Shevchenko, Kysil or Mohyla.
5. Next time you will democratically confirm the advanatge of Christmas over the Easter.

[Max_the_Highlander]

Originally Posted by bm-21Lemko

He is one of my favorites as well, Prince Vladimir. He is of Norwegian and Swedish ancestry.

Yes, Volodymyr has a drop of Varangian blood. Actually, all the Kyivan dinasty of Ruricks which later became the Moskow royal dinasty comes from Northmen. The first Rurick was actually any Scandinavian adventurer who was looking for own kingdom.

So technically Adam and Eva were maybe the greatest pra-pra-pra-Ukrainians. Congrats.

What century is you school located in? Are you sure Adam and Eva ever existed anywhere, except the pages of Bible? May be you meant some nice monkeys who "were hanging from the trees, stealing honey from the bees".

Novgorod and around tribes are direct ancestors of Russians. Kyiv and around tribes are direct ancestors of Ukrainians.

So you have Bandera on the list - another throat slitter along with tragic Bohdan. Too bad. I'd vote for Shevchenko, Kysil or Mohyla.

Hopefully, this will open you blinded eyes about people's authentic rankings of popularity. Shevchenko and Lesya Ukrainka are in the list too.

Democracy is good thing, it helps to devide corns from tares.

[Zbyszek]

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

Yes, Volodymyr has a drop of Varangian blood. Actually, all the Kyivan dinasty of Ruricks which later became the Moskow royal dinasty comes from Northmen. The first Rurick was actually any Scandinavian adventurer who was looking for own kingdom.



What century is you school located in? Are you sure Adam and Eva ever existed anywhere, except the pages of Bible? May be you meant some nice monkeys who "were hanging from the trees, stealing honey from the bees".

Novgorod and around tribes are direct ancestors of Russians. Kyiv and around tribes are direct ancestors of Ukrainians.



Hopefully, this will open you blinded eyes about people's authentic rankings of popularity. Shevchenko and Lesya Ukrainka are in the list too.

Democracy is good thing, it helps to devide corns from tares.

My replies:

1. I said nothing about Ruriks, I just said that Vlamidmir was one of the Kievan Rus rulers. Following your thiniking, I should say that Great Moravian state rulers were Poles only because Krakow used to be a part of this state.

2. I am sure that Homer exsisted - I am only not sure it was our Homer or another individual named Homer who wrote the "Iliad" poem ha ha.

3. I do think Russians have right to think the same as Ukrainians as to Kievan Rus. The problem is that Muscovy rulers chose another way of thinking and deliberately broke links with old Kievan state.

4. Bohdan ordered to kill his own beloved wife in a cruel way. Bandera - the top terrorist, proud of it. Democracy is as good only as the people who implement it. Democracy is far from perfect. Sometimes it can be really a curse. For both players mentioned about democracy was an empty word. Placing them democratically on the very top is tricky.
Max, many thanks for your eye opening thoughts.

BTW I need to make a little correction to my own previous post - may name is ZBi-gniew and it means Deprived of Anger (not Fear).