Ukraine nationalism

[dobko]

[quote]Originally posted by Zbyszek

Ivan, we are better now because it was high time to draw conclusions from our own mistakes and wrongs + our rulers in the past could not make a proper balance of power sharing with the privileged "sacred cows". Democracy must win in the long run both in Poland and in Ukraine.

I agree, Zby.

I'm sure nobody here has a problem with your informative and tolerant views. We all just get a little agressive when being called "stupid Ukrainian" by anyone.

You are an ambassador for your Country and I wish there was more people like you in the world.

[MiguelMichael]

Originally posted by Ivan_Mazepa

Oy, oy, oy, poor Poles

They're good guys now but they were as empirialistic/agressive as the Russians. Thanks, Poland, for fu**ing us so much that we had to go to Russia for help and we know how that turned out. Funny that the Polish empire itself was conquered.

Poland wasn't as agressive as Russia was.if it was that imperialistic it would still be an empire just like Russia and Germany.in fact it was quite tolerant especially until XVIIth century.
but I agree with what you suggest.Cossacks should have been given all the privileges long time before Khmelnitsky.Then they wouldn't be so desperate to seek help in Tzar.

[Petro_moskal]

dobko

I agree, Zby.

Then denounce the UPA.

As for M&M, I'm getting tired of people comming here with the sole purpose of bashing Ukraine. Show this site some respect as well as the members if you'd like the same consideration. It's called "Ukraine.com" not "BashUkraine.com".

We don't bash Ukraine, we speak out against Ukrainian nationalism. It's your problem that you can't see the difference between the country and the ruling ideology.

Why do you try and turn the Polish posters against the Ukrainians by bringing up Volyn on every thread?

I bring Volyn' up when you or B&G either try to deny it or glorify the UPA. The Poles come here set against the UPA. I don't try to turn anyone against Ukrainians, unless by "Ukrainians" you mean ultranationalists.

Do you honestly believe that Poland has never done anything to the Ukrainian people?

Well, the Mongols did alot to Russia in the past but I don't see us committing genocide against them. And what did the Jews do to the Ukrainian people?

I have as much right to my opinion as well, Petro.

You should be informed of facts before voicing it, however.

[MiguelMichael]

Russman,the only Polish aggression on Russia was 400 years ago.we conquered Moscow-something that nobody else had done before and has done later,neither Mongolians and Napoleon nor second and third Reich.
by the way i heard that Putin established a national holiday as the anniversary of expulsion of Poles from Kremlin recently.
The difference is that Polish king didn't want to incorporate Russia to Poland but to get Russian throne and be a a master of equal Poland and Russia as well.
This is completely opposite of what Russian aggressive invasions on Poland were about.

[Petro_moskal]

Michael
I know, I know, I'm supposed to be gone, but I came in to check my goodbye thread and couldn't help answering this one as well.

by the way i heard that Putin established a national holiday as the anniversary of expulsion of Poles from Kremlin recently.

Actually, given the makeup of the Polish-Lithuanian forces, it's joked in Russia that the new holiday is in honor of the "expulsion of Ukrainians and Belarusians from the Kremlin".

The difference is that Polish king didn't want to incorporate Russia to Poland but to get Russian throne and be a a master of equal Poland and Russia as well. This is completely opposite of what Russian aggressive invasions on Poland were about.

Nonsense. It was exactly the same. This is the 17th century we're talking about here.

[Russman]

In 1919, Poland attacked Russia and in 1812, up to 100,000 Poles joined Napoleon in his aggression against Russia.

[MiguelMichael]

no,no.in 1919 Poland struggled for its lost territories stolen by Russia in XVIIth and XVIIIth century.this was a liberating mission,the same about 1812-Poland didn't even exist then,and armies of marionette Warsaw Duchy thought they could restore indepedence with Napoleon.it was a struggle with the Russian occupation.

the only Polish agressions on Russia took place in the beginning of XVIIth century and were about to create personal union -Polish and Lithuanian with Moscowian under the reign of Vasa dynasty(BTW Swedish).