Ukraine nationalism

[MiguelMichael]

yeah,yeah.Poland is helping Ukraine all the time and has nothing in return for it.We are the first state that admitted your independence,the seocond after USA that supported Orange Revolution,probably your only neighbour that has no border issues with you though we lost bigger territories than Hungary,Romania and Russia.
Restoration of Polish Eagles cemetery is a good step,however it's still insufficient.
Right now it's Ukraine that needs Poland more than Poland needs Ukraine,so you'd better do something to show it instead of talking

[dobko]

Yeah, yeah president MiguelMichael. (or M&M for short)

Whatever you say. You've been a good master in the past and we should show you more respect.

[Petro_moskal]

dobko
What Michael is saying is true. Warsaw takes orders from Washington, who tells Poland to help Ukraine's new "orange" leaders and effectively foster Ukrainian nationalism while getting nothing in return. In fact, Ukraine may even replace Poland as the bulwark of US foreign policy in Eastern Europe. Poland's leadership ignores its country's own national interests in favor of those of America, losing out in every way.
Whatever you may say, Poles never did to Ukrainians what Ukrainians did to Poles.
Dobko, I'm disturbed by your condescention towards the opinions and views of others, even when they live in the place that they're talking about. It wouldn't hurt to read some unbiased history, too. Kolos and InfoUkes don't cut it.

[MiguelMichael]

Originally posted by Petro_moskal
dobko
What Michael is saying is true. Warsaw takes orders from Washington, who tells Poland to help Ukraine's new "orange" leaders and effectively foster Ukrainian nationalism while getting nothing in return. In fact, Ukraine may even replace Poland as the bulwark of US foreign policy in Eastern Europe. Poland's leadership ignores its country's own national interests in favor of those of America, losing out in every way.
Whatever you may say, Poles never did to Ukrainians what Ukrainians did to Poles.
Dobko, I'm disturbed by your condescention towards the opinions and views of others, even when they live in the place that they're talking about. It wouldn't hurt to read some unbiased history, too. Kolos and InfoUkes don't cut it.

what you say contains a lot of truth, but it's not only about taking orders from Washington.Poles always wanted democratic Belarus and Ukraine as buffers protecting from Russia.everyday Polish media criticize Lukashenko and Putin for anything and praise Yushchenko for anything,too.

I don't think that Ukraine will replace Poland as US bulwark.Polish society is more predictable and less divided than Ukrainian.it's in 90% prowestern(proamerican) and strongly anti-Russian.300 years of Russian imperialism from Peter the Great to Brezhniev is enough,anyway.Even Polish postcommunists turned more to the West and nationalists who were always pro-Russian now claim to be somewhere in the middle or stay quiet about Russia.Only left-quasinationalistic-populist ,,Samoobrona'' which is probably something like ,,Rodina'' demonstrated proRussian feelings a few times.

[dobko]

I have as much right to my opinion as well, Petro. Do you honestly believe that Poland has never done anything to the Ukrainian people? Why do you try and turn the Polish posters against the Ukrainians by bringing up Volyn on every thread?

Don't preach to me about where I live as this makes you the hypocrite. As for M&M, I'm getting tired of people comming here with the sole purpose of bashing Ukraine. Show this site some respect as well as the members if you'd like the same consideration. It's called "Ukraine.com" not "BashUkraine.com".

[Ivan_Mazepa]

Originally posted by Petro_moskal
...Whatever you may say, Poles never did to Ukrainians what Ukrainians did to Poles.

Oy, oy, oy, poor Poles

They're good guys now but they were as empirialistic/agressive as the Russians. Thanks, Poland, for fu**ing us so much that we had to go to Russia for help and we know how that turned out. Funny that the Polish empire itself was conquered.

[Zbyszek]

Originally posted by Ivan_Mazepa

Oy, oy, oy, poor Poles

They're good guys now but they were as empirialistic/agressive as the Russians. Thanks, Poland, for fu**ing us so much that we had to go to Russia for help and we know how that turned out. Funny that the Polish empire itself was conquered.

Ivan, we are better now because it was high time to draw conclusions from our own mistakes and wrongs + our rulers in the past could not make a proper balance of power sharing with the privileged "sacred cows". Democracy must win in the long run both in Poland and in Ukraine.

As for oppression: Polish peasants were not treated even a bit better than Ukrainian ones by the sacred cows. Poor consolation, but it was a hard fact.