Ukraine nationalism

[BlueandGold]

The less you post the better it is for the WHOLE WORLD.

[Petro_moskal]

It's most people's dream to have their opinions and views go unchallenged.

[BlueandGold]

Try honest and informative history from many INDEPENDENT SOURCES.

NOT revisionism of Marxist ideology on evolutionary socialism or Russian nationalism.

[BlueandGold]

The name of 78-year-old Slava Stetsko figures on the roll call of the Ukrainian Parliament. Until recently she lived in Germany as a de facto stateless person. Her late husband, Jaroslav Stetsko, was one of the elder Stepan Bandera's closest colleagues. Even after the death of her husband, Slava Stetsko pursued his goals. Several years ago she returned permanently to Ukraine and, after getting Ukrainian citizenship, she was elected to parliament. As the eldest member of the current parliament, she read the text of the inaugural oath of loyalty to Ukraine - during which the entire Communist Party faction walked out.

http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/stetsko/interview4.html

[Petro_moskal]

B&G

NOT revisionism of Marxist ideology on evolutionary socialism or Russian nationalism.

Hypocrite.
Nice use of all those big words, did it make your head hurt to read your own message afterwards? And how many times do I have to say that I'm not a communist?

P.S. By the way, I hate to gloat but I'd even say that I'm a bit more Ukrainian than you. I have lots of Ukrainian blood, I've been there many times and I speak the language...
That makes you a double hypocrite, doesn't it now?

[Edited by Petro_moskal on 10th June 2005 at 06:30]

[BlueandGold]

Within Ukraine, the government's draft bill has arrived
after a decade of gradual public rehabilitation. School textbooks and
the military media have not had the luxury of waiting a decade to
research this question and they have included the OUN, and
particularly the UPA, alongside other forces that fought for Ukraine
on different military fronts. They therefore have placed them on an
equal footing with Soviet (as well as Polish and Canadian) veterans.
Rehabilitation of the Galicia Division has not taken place, and is
far less likely to. The UPA has therefore long been described in
textbooks and newspapers such as "Narodna Armiya," an organ of the
Defense Ministry, as fighting on a "second front" in World War II.

Among the oligarchic Social Democratic Party-united (SDPU-o)
and the former pro-presidential For a United Ukraine (ZYU), now
divided into six factions, there is no opposition to the
government's move. One major reason is that centrist groups lack
any ideology and this is therefore simply not an issue for them.
SDPU-o Chairman Viktor Medvedchuk, now head of the presidential
administration, claimed to be the author of the draft government
bill, which he had hoped would attract western Ukrainian voters in
the March elections.

The malleability of the ideologically amorphous SDPU-o was
seen when Medvedchuk denied to Crimean voters that his party
supported the rehabilitation of OUN-UPA, and SDPU-o-controlled Inter
Television fanned the antinationalist campaign against Yushchenko.
The irony is that Medvedchuk also at the same time played up the
claim that his family was expelled to Siberia because his father was
a member of OUN in Zhytomir Oblast. A book published during the
election campaign titled "Nartsys" (Narcissus) by Our Ukraine member
Dmytro Chobit told a different story. It unearthed controversial
documents that Medvedchuk's father had actually served in the
German police, not the OUN.

THE ONLY OPPOSITION TO THE GOVERNMENT DRAFT BILL WITHIN UKRAINE
HAS COME FROM THE COMMUNIST PARTY AND THE NATIONALIST RUSSIAN BLOC.

These groups continue to use the SAME Soviet-era rhetoric
denouncing the OUN-UPA as still used in Russia. The Socialists (SPU)
have evolved toward accepting that the OUN-UPA can be rehabilitated
and that the struggle against them was a Ukrainian "civil war."
Nevertheless, the SPU rejects any equality between Soviet veterans
and the OUN-UPA and maintains that those who allegedly committed
"crimes" should be weeded out.

Dr. Taras Kuzio, resident fellow and adjunct professor, Centre for Russian
and East European Studies, University of Toronto.

http://www.ukrainianstudies.org/aaus.../msg00044.html

About my blood line, I'll use a good quote from a friend of mine:

You can take the Ukrainian out of Ukraine but you can never take the Ukraine
out of the Ukrainian.

One team, one nation: http://poetry.uazone.net/midi/song49.mid

[Petro_moskal]

B&G
Is it ok if I call you "tubby"?
You had the nerve to say that the crimes of the UPA were "alleged". Have you been following the WWII vets topic, tubby?
Tubby here seems to think that the Poles made it up. Zbyszek, MiguelMichael - comments? I'm tired of dealing with this halfwit.

P.S. Can you read this, Mr. "Ukrainian" nationalist?
http://www.zn.kiev.ua/nn/show/431/37668/