This is your Ukrainian nationalism

[Petro_moskal]

Kathy
Lenin was half or quarter Jewish.
Alright, many (not most) of them were Jews. In any event, it's silly to call the Bolsheviks Russian nationalists.
Who said anything about Galacia?

[Kathy]

Lenin was half or quarter Jewish.

His grandmother was German. His father was half Russian, half Chuvash. There is no definitive proof he was Jewish.

It is a fallacy to state that most of the Bolsheviks were Jews, because they weren't. However, a large percentage of the NKVD's officers were Jewish (far greater than their representation in the population) and when Kaganovich effectively "ran" Ukraine, Jewish representation in Ukraine's communist party was very high. This was true well into the 1960's.

As for Galicia, it is part of Ukraine, and much of its population spoke what evolved into Ukrainian. So the point was, your post was inaccurate.

[Petro_moskal]

Kathy

As for Galicia, it is part of Ukraine, and much of its population spoke what evolved into Ukrainian. So the point was, your post was inaccurate.

I was referring to what was the Ukraine within the Russian Empire. When I speak of Russia in those days I naturally don't refer to the Kaliningrad Oblast' as well, right?

As for Jews in the Bolshevik Party, I corrected myself. They were, however, overrepresented in the Bolshevik Party and early VKP(b) just as they were in the ChK and NKVD. Of the original Politbjuro members only Bukharin and Kalinin were Russian - Trockij (Bronshtejn), Zinoviev (Radomysl'skij), and Kamenev (Rosenfeld) were Jews; Krestinskij (Krestins'kyj) was Ukrainian, and Stalin (Dzhugashvili) was Georgian. Lenin (Uljanov) was of mixed ancestry, as you have pointed out.
Let's not be agressive, shall we? The point is that the Bolsheviks weren't Russian nationalists, contrary to what dobko has alleged.

[Kathy]

Let's not be agressive, shall we?

There was no aggression intended.

The first Politburo's members were Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Kamenev and Krestinsky.

[MiguelMichael]

Originally posted by dobko

So should Russian nationalism! And Polish nationalism, American nationalism, Canadian nationalism.... hell let's ban all nationalism! Aren't Bolsheviks just Russian nationalists? Bolsheviks seized power during the Russian Revolution of 1917, they changed their name to the All-Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks) in 1918 and were generally known as the Communist Party after that point. However, it was not until 1952 that the party formally dropped the word Bolshevik from its name.

You judge Ukrainian nationalists for the actions of a small group and turn a blind eye to the Russian nationalists? Why do you have double standards? [/b]

The problem is that Ukrainian Dontsov/Bandera/Melnyk type nationalism was a criminal ideology based on Nazism and Italian Fascism totalitarian patterns.
Germans condemned Nazism,so did Italians with Fascism.Ukrainians should condemn Bandera,Melnyk,Sawur,Shukhevych as well,stop giving streets their names and delegalize organizations which refer to their traditions like KUN and UNA-UNSO.

[Petro_moskal]

Kathy

The first Politburo's members were Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Kamenev and Krestinsky.

Bukharin, Zinoviev and Kalinin were candidate members, however. Note how all the Russians weren't even full members.

[Kathy]

Bukharin, Zinoviev and Kalinin were candidate members, however. Note how all the Russians weren't even full members.

Zinoviev was Jewish.

I am not expressing any view on the "Russianess" of the Bolsheviks - the majority would be Russian because the party was active in Russia and was devoted to revolutionary change in Russia.