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Old 14th May 2004, 06:52
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Question to Hussar/Prawda regarding the Chechen situation

Prawda why do you always make excuse for certain elements in Chechnya bombing and killing Russian civilians and blaming Russia for the problems there despite the fact that George Bush and your great America who your jelous of is doing the same thing. How can it be different when in Chechnia the same ARABIAN soldiers of fortune-fanatics are fighting against Russian troops????!!!! And now they are running away from Chechnia to IRAQ!!!!!!
and There is only one main difference - Russia fights for its OWN terrotory, but the US for foreign one. And these are Russians who give freedom to Chechens, liberating them from terroristic REGIME of Maskhadov/Basaev. You need to be stupid to name Basaev and Maskhadov legitime democratic Chechen leaders!!!!!!! Russia NEVER occupied Chechnia, as its own Russian territory where Russians lived for CENTURIES! Btw, 80% of Chechens voted for new constitution adopting of Chechnia being inside Russia...Most of common Chechens are tired from the Maskhadov/Basaev's regime and made their choice!

I don't know about freedom for Iraqies, as Saddam never been a good boy. But I know one thing -Saddam NEVER been terrorist!
And now in Iraq you have packs of them! And I see that Irauies aren't much fond of SUCH freedom!
Democracy can't be put only by military force! when we had learnt this in Chechnia, situation in Chechnia became much better!

I also have much doubts in "Real American democracy". The fact that in Russia there were no democracy in the past centuries doesn't mean that all that Russia do is wrong. And in opposite, we can't say that all actions that democratic countries perform is good...Fact of presence of democracy can't be a pardon for everything which your government is doing!
Is this the prevalent attitude in Poland today?
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Old 14th May 2004, 16:28
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I don't know about freedom for Iraqies, as Saddam never been a good boy. But I know one thing -Saddam NEVER been terrorist!
And now in Iraq you have packs of them! And I see that Irauies aren't much fond of SUCH freedom!
Democracy can't be put only by military force! when we had learnt this in Chechnia, situation in Chechnia became much better!
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I also have much doubts in "Real American democracy". The fact that in Russia there were no democracy in the past centuries doesn't mean that all that Russia do is wrong. And in opposite, we can't say that all actions that democratic countries perform is good...Fact of presence of democracy can't be a pardon for everything which your government is doing!
Is this the prevalent attitude in Poland today?

Intimidation, you have to know that Hussar can not give an answer about what is current prevalent attitude in Poland because he does not live in Poland and his problems are from what Poles experience at the moment. Hence, you should put his Polishness in brackets.
I think that Poles are much divided over the Iraq thing. As to Chechnia, we do not get enough information enabling us to establish balanced opinion. Basically, plenty of Poles sympathize with the Chechen people but the most of them would find it hard to explain in detail why. I have serious concern about the terrorist link to the Chechen fight and I realize that a pressure is exerted from the Muslim fundamentalists to turn their fight into a religious war. Terrorism is such an urgent global threat even if some freedom loss was a price to be paid, I would accept it reluctantly. Let us remember the KLA [Kosovan Liberation Army] case. I just think that the Chechens claim too much in a short time. They need to find better, more educated leaders or they will act like Ukrainian Cossacks in the past who cut Polish or Jewish throats instead of patiently building their upper classes which would be much more effective in the independence deal.
It is a pity that Gandhi's philosophy has been forgotten too easily by our impatient world.
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Old 15th May 2004, 06:52
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Do you really believe that if Slask or some other part of Poland (especially that had important resources) tried to break away from the country Poland would just give them independence? Do you really think that if Texas wanted independence the U.S govt. would give it up without a fight? Not only that but the Chechen people on average want to remain part of Russia away from the terrorist REGIME of Maskhadov/Basaev.
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