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Old 9th June 2003, 15:45
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Zbignew got me going on this - blame him!

Anyway, I thought I would start a thread with some reference material, not opinions of what these men did, just research sources and such.

Polishchuk, Viktor, 1925- Main Title: Falszowanie historii najnowszej Ukrainy ; Wolyґn--1943 i jego znaczenie / Wiktor Poliszczuk. Variant Title: Falszowanie historii najnowszej Ukrainy ; Wolyґn--1943 i jego znaczenie Published/Created: Toronto ; Warszawa : W. Poliszczuk, 1996. Related Names: Polishchuk, Viktor, 1925- Wolyґn--1943 i jego znaczenie. Related Titles: Wolyґn--1943 i jego znaczenie. Description: 90 p. : ill., map ; 21 cm. ISBN: 0969944438 Notes: Includes bibliographical references (p. 60-65). Subjects: Orhanizatsiia ukradnsґkykh natsionalistiv.

Seems that Vitkor's discourse explores the darker side of the freedom fighters.


If anyone has links/references to add, please do share. I will , from time to time, add anything interesting that pops up in my research ( military history is a hobby).

Also , if anyone is intereted, I will soon have a personal diary which needs translating. My Ukrainian isnt good enough yet. But, you know, it was my first language, so I might get up to speed real quick. I'm treating those notes as non-public until we see whats in them and the man;s widow approves.

So dont ask to be my translator unless you hold a Top Secret - SBI level clearance.
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Old 9th June 2003, 22:01
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Zbignew got me going on this - blame him!

I like a suggestion taken up by Freedom1. The flames spreading from the other thread (Ukrainska Povstanska Armia) need an intelligent counterbalance.
At the same time I can't promise to totally avoid my personal comments. I think that pure academic discussion would be boring and discouraging in terms of participation.
It seems that Poles and Ukrainians have been living too close one to another for centuries. A long period of the Soviet rule in Ukraine separated us (along a lord Curzon line) for almost half a century. Strange enough, but it was advantageous for our mutual relations.
Poland has a flourishing book market at the moment. It seems as the present economic hardship doe not have a serious effect on the colourful variety of the cultural offer in the form of a printed word.
The middle-aged journalists and writers redefine the old, well established views on many issues connected with Poland's neighbours including Ukrainians in particular.
Deplorably, Polish is one of the most diffucult European languages.

As Prof. Norman Davies put it: essentially, speaking Polish is not so difficult and the pronounciation is just regular. The only thing you need to have is split palate, jaws of caotchouc, teeth of steel, a forked tongue, a wide gap between the front teeth to release the excess of saliva and basically not more than twenty years of practice. Then, you are well prepared to pronounce the "Przysiega Kosciushko" without sudden need of an umbrella.

However I risk and will recommend a book written by Pawel Smolenski, a journalist of "Gazeta Wyborcza", a powerful daily connected to the "Solidariy" movement.
Its title says much: "Pokhovek dla rezuna" or " A funeral (read:farewell) to a throat-slitter". The book is devoted to a bold challenge of the negative stereotype of Ukrainians in the Polish society, shaped mainly by the Volhynian UPA crimes and much enhanced by the communist propaganda.
In fact, it is a book about the Polish crimes against Ukrainians which were maybe less numerous but not less hideous than the Ukrainian ones.
The last chapter begins with the words of Ivan Franko "I pryde tretij den" and includes an interview with Yehwen Stahkiv, a well-known Ukrainian patriot.
BTW, Smolenski himself became well-known in Poland in one day when he disclosed a corruption case in circles close to the government level. I once informed Kathy about its big impact on the political life in Poland.

I am interested whether Polishchuk's studies are known among Canadian Ukrainians and how they are viewed there.
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Old 3rd July 2003, 01:45
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The Waffen SS rears it's ugly head once more.
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Old 3rd July 2003, 02:42
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Old 4th July 2003, 05:23
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Volodya, you finally cut the diatribe and stated a truth!

You do tend to babble alot, for a seemingly highly intelligent being.
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Old 11th July 2003, 17:04
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Schtschodo Polischtschuka

http://www.svoboda-news.com/2001/12/u6.htm

- Пане професоре, коли вже говоримо про писання нісенітниць, - як Ви
оцінюєте маштаб спустошення, які вчинили своїми публікаціями Едвард Прус,
Яцек Вільчур та Віктор Поліщук?

Також цікава зав'язка:

http://kobza.com.ua/ounruhu/genocide/2003_01_28_06.html
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Old 11th July 2003, 17:09
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Стосовно Поліщука і певних розвідок

http://www.svoboda-news.com/2001/12/u6.htm

– Пане професоре, коли вже говоримо про писання нісенітниць, – як Ви оцінюєте маштаб спустошення, які вчинили своїми публікаціями Едвард Прус, Яцек Вільчур та Віктор Поліщук?

– Немає сенсу говорити про Пруса. Це совєтський агент. Подібно як прокурор НКВД Віктор Поліщук. Це люди, на тему яких не дискутується.

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