REUNIFYING RUSSIA

[mishaaverko]

Indonesia Turning to Russia for Arms

http://newsday.com/news/nationworld/world

Refer to April 14 edition

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Russian TNK Mulls Bid for Turkish Tupras-Vedonosti

http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030414/o444000666_1.html

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Ukraine is Russia

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@1....5@.4a910c1b/1

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Now independent from Soviet rule, Russia is slowly but surely improving itself in part by having greater access to markets it previously didn't have due to certain Cold War realities.

As Russia improves itself, Russia's lost territories will become more attracted to it, with Russia being in a better position to influence the conditions for reunification.

Besides Ukraine and Belarus, there're the Russocentric northern half of Kazakstan (south Siberia) and Trans-Dniester. South Siberia was arbitararily put into the Kazak SSR which ceased to exist with the demise of the Soviet Union. Nobody asked Moldova to become a part of the Soviet Union in 1939. Likewise, nobody asked Trans-Dniester to become a part of the Moldavian SSR which ceased to exist with the demise of the Soviet Union.

There may very well be some other lands seeking closer if not complete ties with a Russian state that it was once part of for centuries pre-dating Soviet rule. Where there's unity, there's often strength.

[mishaaverko]

When compared to Poland, many more Ukrainians and Belarussians work in Russia, along with many other former Soviet nationals living outside of current Russia. In the last couple of years, the Russian economy has grown unlike the Polish one. Granted, it has alot of growing to do. I'm optimistic based on a past history of successfully facing greater obstacles.

Russia is about to make a law giving citizenship to non-Russian citizens of CIS countries, provided that they serve in the Russian armed forces. This law should also aplly to the non-CIS Baltics, where many Russian patriots reside.

Belarus in particular, can only improve with reunification. Poland has no business to be intervening in Belarus. Unlike some forum participants here, the Polish government is perfectly aware of this.

Russian media is freer than American media. It's easier to get mainstream American views in Russian media than mainstream Russian views in American media. Instead Americans get high dosages of Masha Gessen, Pavel Felgenhauer, Anna Politikovskaya, while mainstream Russian views are heavily censored.

Seeing how some of the Polish forum participants view history, it's ironic to read one of them claiming that Russia is a closed society. As Old Repub at http://www.russia.com forums points out, Russia is part of Europe.

[mishaaverko]

Prawda:

And some Western journalists have been brutally murdered by Chechen terrorists. There's plenty of criticism in Russia about Chechnya.

The two Russian Jews who were involved with Russian media (Gusinsky and Berezovsky) are corrupt individuals, who were they American businessmen in America, would be in a white collar prison.

When was the last time that you were in Russia and why don't you better verse yourself on what has been going on there?

[mishaaverko]

Prawda

Poland started a centuries conflict with Russia by attacking it in the mid 15 hundreds.

In 1812, up to 200,000 Poles joined napoleon in his aggression of Russia in 1812.

In 1919, Poland took advantage of the Russian Civil War by invading it.

In 1934, Poland signed a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany.

In 1938, Poland joined Nazi Germany and Hungary in the dismemberment of Russian and Soviet friendly CzechoSlovakia.

Presently, Russia bashing in Poland is a far greater reality than Polish bashing in Russia.

If anyone is "brainwashed" and "mental," it's you dude.

[mishaaverko]

Typical pig headed Polish chauvinism to claim virtue when fighting against alleged occupation (I say alleged because when independent, Poland had threatened Russia, thereby legitimizing a Russian need to oversee Poland), while denying that very same right to those fighting against Polish occupation.

[rusdrm]

mishaaverko,

You are very flattering. 200,000 Poles? I'm not sure about that. Indeed, only about 70,000 was all the Duchy of Warsaw could support, after all, it wasn't a very large state. In all, however, some 300,000 Poles took part in various conflicts during this time. What does this mean? Many Poles fought along side the Russians, Austrians, and Prussians. Why? Well, code of conduct forbids you to 'switch sides', that's why Poles fighting for Austria, for example, were not at all against the ressurection of their country, but for the honor of their people 'If I am told to attack, I will not spit on the honor of Poles and disobey a direct order from my commander' is my English translation of what one captured Austrian (Polish) Uhlan said after the battle of Wagram.

A little further on, choosing between Napoleon and Alexander was a very difficult decision for the Poles. Many supported the idea of siding with Alexander, even Jozef Poniatowski. However, by 1805/7 (?) the foundations laid by the Polish Legions fighting for France already in 1797, made it almost impossible for Poles to side with Russia; a matter of honor here. The scenario would've worked out very well as the Poles looked very kindly on Russia stepping in and taking Warsaw away from the Prussians. After all, it was Prussia who instigated the partitions, not Russia. The last King of Poland knew this very well and feared Prussia much more than he feared Russia, but few of his countrymen thought the same way. Poniatowski despised Frederich for very sound reasons; he had an air of deception about him and an acute sense of superiority. Only after the last partition did the Poles really start looking at Prussia as an agressor, not Russia.

Sincerely,

Krzysztof

[Zbyszek]

Originally posted by rusdrm
mishaaverko,

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A little further on, choosing between Napoleon and Alexander was a very difficult decision for the Poles. Many supported the idea of siding with Alexander, even Jozef Poniatowski. However, by 1805/7 (?) the foundations laid by the Polish Legions fighting for France already in 1797, made it almost impossible for Poles to side with Russia; a matter of honor here. The scenario would've worked out very well as the Poles looked very kindly on Russia stepping in and taking Warsaw away from the Prussians. After all, it was Prussia who instigated the partitions, not Russia. The last King of Poland knew this very well and feared Prussia much more than he feared Russia, but few of his countrymen thought the same way.
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Sincerely,

Krzysztof

Hi Krzysztof, I liked your considerate voice, however I am sceptic about any possibility of changing Misha's mind. If you read his endless repetitions about how Poland dismembered Czechoslovakia in 1938 etc. etc. your hopes will probably fade. Anyway, you added something valuable to our discussion. Some people posting here tend to think that Poland has only its eastern side. Duke JСzef Poniatowski was not an enthusiast of occupying Moscow at all. It was Napoleon's idea and the Poles were dramatically torn between what reason commanded and what honour+French madman suggested. BTW Krzysztof, have you heard about recently discovered remnants of Napoleon's Grand Army near Vilnius?
The Lithuanian construction workers discovered plenty of once frozen skeletons in the outskirts of Wilno/Vilnius.

[Edited by Zbyszek on 23rd April 2003 at 00:56]