REUNIFYING RUSSIA

[Volodya987]

Final 2 comments re weather a bastardised new speak is an historical flash in the pan, or an objective reality are
Ever seen an Italian speak Latin?
A quote from Catch 22, by Joseph Heller Corgi Books pp261
""Well, frankly, I don't know how long America is going to last," he proclamed dauntlessly. "I suppose we can't last forever if the world is going to be destroyed one day. But I do know that we are going to survive and triumph for a long, long time."
"For how long?" mocked the profane old man with a gleam of malicious elation. "Not even as long as the frog?"
"Much longer than you or me," Nately blurted out lamely.
"Oh, is that all! That won't be very much longer then, considering you'r so gullible and brave and that I am already such an old man."
"How old are you?" Nately asked, growing intrigued and charmed with the old man inspite of himself.
"A hundred and seven." The old man chuckled heartily at Nately's look of chagrin. "I see you don't believe that either."
"I don't believe anything you tell me," Nately replied, with a bashful mitigating smile. "The only thing i do believe is that America is going to win the war."
"You put so much stock in 'winning' wars,' the grubby iniquitous old man scoffed. "The real trick lies in 'losing' wars, in knowing which wars can be lost. Italy has been losing wars for centuries, and just see how splendidly we've done nonetheless. France wins wars and is in a continual state of crisis. Germany loses and prospers.
Look at our recent history. Italy won a war in Ethiopia and promptly stumbled into serious trouble. Victory gave us such insane delusions of grandeur that we started a world war we hadn't a chance of winning. But now that we are losing again, every thing has taken a turn for the better, and we willcertainly come out on top again if we succeed in being defeated."
Nately gaped at him in undisguised befuddlement. "Now I
really don't understand what you're saying. You talk like a madman."
"But I live like a sane one. I was a fascist when Mussolini was on top, and I am an anti-fascist now that he has been deposed. I was fanatically pro-German when the germans were here to protect us against the Americans, and now that the Americans are here to protect us against the Germans I am fanatically pro-American. I can assure you, my outrage young friend"-the old man's knowing, distainful eyes shone even more effervescently as Nately's stuttering dismay increased-"that you and your country will have a no more loyal partisan in Italy than me-but only as long as you remain in Italt.
"But," Nately cried out in disbelief, "you're a turncoat! A time-server! A shameful, unsctupulous opportunist!"
"I am a hundred and seven years old," the old man reminded him suavely.
"Don't you have any principals?"
"Of course not."
"No morality?"
"Oh, I am a very moral man," the villanous old man assured him withsarcastic seriousness, stroking the bare hip of a buxom black-haired girl with pretty dimples who had streched herself out seductively on the other arm of the chair. He grinned at Nately sarcastivally as he sat between both naked girls in smug and threadbear splendor, with a sovereign hand on each.
"I can't believe it," Nately remarked grudgingly, trying stubbornly not to watch him in relation to the girls. "I simply can't believe it."
" But it's all perfectly true. When the Germans marched into the city, I danced in the stree like a youthful bellerina and shouted 'Heil Hitler!' until my lungs were hoarse. I even waved a small Nazi flag that I had sntached away from a beatiful little girl while her mother was looking the other way. When the Germans left the city, I rushed out to welcome the Americans with a bottle of excellent brandy and a bunch of flowers. The brandy was for myself, of course, and the flowers were to sprinkle upon our liberators. There was a very stiff and stuffy old major riding in the first car, and I hit him squarely in the eye with a red rose. A marvelous shot. You should have seen him wince."
Nately gasoed and was on his feet with amazement, the blood draining from his cheeks. Major ---- de Coverley!" he cried.
"Do you know him?" inquired the old man with delight. "What a charming coincidence."
Nately was too astounded even to hear him"So you're the one who wounded Major ---- de Coverley!" he exclaimed in horrified indignation. "How could you do such a thing?"
The fiendish old man was unperterbed. "How could I resist, you mean. You shouls have seen the arogant old bore, sitting there so sternly in that car like the Almighty Himself, with his big rugud head and his foolish, solemn face. What a tempting target he made! I got him right in the eye with an American Beauty rose. I thought that was most appropriate. Don't you?"
"That was a terrible thing to do!" Nately shouted at hin reproachfullyt. "A viscious and criminal thing. Major ---- is our squadron executive officer!"
"Is he?" teased the ubregenerate old man, pinching his pointy jaw gravely in a parody of repentance. " In that case, you must give me credit for being impartial. When the Germans rode in, I almost stabbed a robust young Oberleutnant to death with a sprig of edelweiss."
Nately was appalled and bewildered by the abominable old man's inability to percieve the enormity of his offense. "Don't you realise what you've done vehemently. "Major ---- de Coverley is a noble and wonderful person, and everyone admires him."
"He's a silly old fool who really has no right to act like a silly young fool. Where is he today? Dead?"
Nately answered softly with somber awe. "Nobody knows. He seems to have disappeared."
"You see? Imagine a man his age risking what little life he has left for something so absurd as a country."
Nately was instantly up in arms again. "There is nothing so absurd about risking your life for your country!" he declared.
"Isn't there?" asked the old man. "What is a country? A country is a piece of land surrounded by Boundaries, usually unnatural. Englishmen are dying for England, Americans are dying for America, Germans are dying for Germany, Russians are dying for Russia. There are now fifty or sixty countries fughtibng in this war. Surely so many countries can't all be worth dying for/"
"Anything worth living for," said Nately, "is worth dying for."
"And anything worth dying for," answered the sacrulegious old man, "is certainly worth living for. You know, you're such a pure and naive young man I almost feel sorry for you. How old are you? Twenty-five? Twenty-six/"
"Ninteen," said Nately. "I'll be twenty in January."
"If you live." The old man shook his head, wearing, for a moment, the same touchy, meditative frown of the fretful and disapproving old woman. "They are going to kill you if you don't watch out, and I can see now that you are not going to watch out. Why don't you use some sense and try to be more like me? You might live to be one hundred and seven,too."
"Because it's better to die on one's feet than live on one's knees," Nately retorted with triumphant and lofty conviction. "I guess you've heard that saying before."
"Yes, I certainly have," mused the trecherous old man, smiling again. "But I'm afraid you have it backwards. It is better to LIVE on one's feet than die on one's knees. THAT is the way the saying goes."
"Are you sure?" Nately asked with soft confusion. "It seems to make more sense my way."
"No, it makes more sense my way. Ask your friends."
Nately turned to ask his friends and discovered they had gone.................................................
Volodya987

[mishaaverko]

On a light note:

THE NEXT KOURNI-CLONE

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I'm soooo in love.

[Volodya987]

Seen one English prostitute, seen 'em all. Are you trying to sell her to an Arab sheikh? How Much? If she's not too expensive, I'll buy her to look after my pigs.
Volodya987

[SanRusDiego]

Hoonya, you didn't answer my question. It seems like you spit sh1t out your ass a whole lot Vova. Make some sense man.

[Volodya987]

Once more, you miss my point. Why bring up a "A Russian slave", into what I assume, is a serious discussion on "mizhnarodna Politeka", and modes of communication and mis-communication?
Volodya987
PS I have a long history of being racially discriminated against. My ability to invent insults, based on how I have been insulted, is legendary. Please, stick to the facts, reasons and logic, associated with the particular thread. If you can't, get out of Ukraine.
PPS Found the name of the first European suicide bomber yet?

[Volodya987]

Following on from our mutual swapping of stupid stones, I return to the topic. And again, I quote from Bruce Holbrook, The Stone Monkey, Morrow Quill Paperbacks pp374:
Again, there are three basic features of the Absolute-Fragmental paradim: its basic concepts, and, therefore, all its derived ones, are Absolutes, so its perspective is Fragmental (one-sided, partial), and its attidude is socially sterile, involving a dwarfed image of human beings and a disdain for the ordinary. In contrast, the three basic features of the Polar-Complete world view are non-Absolute concepts, an all-sided, wholistic, balanced perspective, and, most important, a consummately Humanistic attitude, wherein humanity is central.
India has produced a magnificent, plural worldview and world in which parallels with the traditional Chinese scientific paradim as well as classical Grek, Absolute-Fragmental view can be found. However, as a whole, the Hindu paridim is western, Absolut-Fragmental. Indeed, India is the mother, via western diffusion, of much that is basic to the Western worldview, Such as tehEuropean languages, their grammatical reflections of time, person, and sex. and the European writing system, whic are based on the choice to represent sound, as opposed to meaning as in the Chinese, Egyptian, and Central American Indian systems. These Indic-European cultural traits are classically Absolute -Fragmental, and, since they concern the word )of which mathematics is a variety), have fundamentally influenced all Western thought.
To illustrate the Indic-European trait of grammatical inflection, the English verb 'to walk' has one form, 'am walking, 'when the subject is 'I', and another form, 'am walking,' when the subject is 'you'. It has one form, 'am walking,' when time is present, and another form, 'will walk ___,' when the time is future. When an object belongs to a male, we use the form 'his'; when it belongs to a female, we use the form 'hers.' In this way, our language marks, forces us to remark, the differences 'I' and 'you', 'present' and 'future,' 'male and 'female.' Chinese is free of such formal obligations. The verb for for 'walk' does not change from one tense to another and does not change according to the p[erson of the subject; the pronoun forms do not change according to the persons sex. This relative formality of our languages has three distinct Absolute-Fragmenta effects. One is that we are conditioned to obey many more rules when we speek than are the Chinese, and, by extension, we are conditioned to obey many rules, to be subordinate to an abstract system. (Our languages, of course, are but one aspect of a greater Western cultural pattern.) The western mind is not as free to express itself as is the Chinese one: the abstract language system takes up human space, diminishes, and restricts the expressive spirit of the speaker. This is consistent with the basic feature of our Absolute-Fragmenta worldview, in which humanity is subordinate to God or The Environment, to an abstract system of "Divine Will," "Evolutionary Law."
Another effect of the original Indian formality of our languages is, simply, the tendancy to be preoccupied with form as opposed to content, with words and speaking, more than with what words and speach refer to-the human and natural concerns and realities that are the reason for speaking in the first place. Our highly formal languages obstruct perception, are a film between us and what we are talking about. )Before we can refer to a person by other than his or her name we mustcompute the form for sex: 'he/she'; and so on). This preoccupation with form, this abstract perspective, is consistent with Idealism and with the more general detachment from human realit that is true of both sides of the Binary Con. (The freedom from such formal constraints is one of the reasons that Chinese poetry strikes Westerners who can read it as relatively pure, natural, directly reflective of nature and human feeling.)
A third effect is that our basic Indic languages encourage us to emphasise differences-among present, past and future, among I you and third persons, among male, female, and neuter (and thus, not only between sexes, but between animate and inanimate.) Emphasising differences, obliged by grammar to do so, one is inclined to think in Absolute_Fragmental terms: time is not a continuum; you and I are Absolutely different, are totally separate; the sexes are Absolutely different, opposed; Spirit (life) and Matter (the inanimate) are Absolutely different, discrete, if intermixed things.
The difference in the effects of writing based on sound and writing based on meaning is more straightforward. The Western writing system represents only the sound part of words, in no way represents the meaning of words, So, every thing that is written in the past is in no way insured against being interprited in the present differently from what its writer originally intended. Accordingly, words in our language are relatively free to, and do, change their meaning over time. Westerm meaning is entropic. A science entirely based on 'guessing', from overall contexts, what these changes have been, historical linguistica, has arisen to attempt to remedy this problem. In short, our originally Indic sound-based writing system-and it may be added that Arabic and Hebrew are also sound based-disengages present from past knowledge and consciousness, separates the successive generations one from the other, makes consciousness and knowledge unstable over time, and minimises the chances of knowledge accumulating-a Fragmental effect.
In contrast, the Chinese, meaning-based writing system, basically a system of idea-pictures, helps us to preserve original meanings and thus maximises the accumulation of knowledge, overlapping the prsent generation with all the preceding ones.-a Complete effect. Second, the sound-based system fails to provide a common medium for people whose languages 'sound' different and are mutually unintellegable, and thus minimises communication among human groups and societie and encourages each to distinguish itself from each other on the basis of its language. Accordingly (but, not only for this reason), India, the Middle East, and Europe are loosely associated aggregates of little provinces, each of which is fiercely chauvanistic; to America is chiefly extended the English/French?Spanish division. India has about two hundred different languages with separate groups attached to them, is the social-cultural archetype of this Fragmentation. In contrast, the meaning-based system does provide a common medium of communication for peoples whoes languages sound different, and accordingly (but, of course, not only for this reason), China is a huge socially-culturally united whole despite the many mutually unintelligible spoken languages and dialects of its people.
At the level of world view itself, all of the Hindu variants, which are arranged on a continuum from folk religion to sublime and brilliant esoteric philosophy, have the Idealistic, "other-worldly" penchant. It is this central charectaristic which makes the correlation between the Chinese paradim and Hinduism's highest variant, Advaita Vedanta, misleading when taken alone. For example, according to Advainta Vedanta all dualities are ultimately identical pairs, which is an aspect of the Polar feature of the Chinese system, grounded in serious scientific empiricism. But according to Advainta Vedanta, Matter is mental: The Idealistic side of each pair is given primacy, and the standard, Idealistic belief that the "world of senses" is an illusion is firmly set forth. Like its purely-Absolute Western religious correlates, at its peak the Hindu world view is a vehicle for the savant's escape and absconding from responsibility for human reality-the living social body is cut into writhing casts; and Hindu mystics, their backs to it, gaze through the sun.
The penchant is dramatically realised in extreme Absolute-Fragmental form. All Hinduism has, in one form or another, the objective of "getting off the wheel of life"
to become one with God (Brahman)
........................and it goes on. Even Buddha gets a mention. And this is only the appendix. (I'm sick of typing this stuff in. Buy the book, and read it yourself, if it hasn't been ethnically cleansed by the Ministry for Silly Talks).
The author even hates Mao Tse Dung, a STALINIST mass murderer.
Volodya987

[mishaaverko]

SOME FAVOR A CHINESE TAKEOVER OF RUSSIA'S FAR EAST

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@5...31@.597aa712/1

This must never be allowed to happen.