REUNIFYING RUSSIA

[SanRusDiego]

Makaka, if you wish to be combative it is your own choice. I do not see misha picking fights with you but instead it is the other way around. Instead of speaking "for all of Ukraine", why don't you instead ask someone in Kharkiv or Chernigov what they think of Russia and re-unification. Ukraine != Kiyev + Lvov. Ok?

ps. Misha, I'm doing ok. Finals week is coming up for me though...always a fun time...

[SanRusDiego]

Makaka, want to read something?
http://prcenter.newmail.ru/news2000/...vs__russia.htm

No racism against Russians.

[mishaaverko]

San Rus

Always good to hear from you. Good luck on the finals. That moron only mentions my cab driver citation while ignoring the previous others which are numerous.

He also takes seriously my sarcasm that was directed at the simplistic rants of Zbig (St. Petersburg was brutally built) and himself.

I have read Hrushevsky and Subtelny, so he isn't stating anything new to me.

I have a bone to pick with your link about the Ukrainian language. It wasn't banned under the Czars or Soviets. The Soviets in fact propped it up. Solzhenitsyn and The_Last_Word have documented how the Soviets attempted to linguistically Ukrainianize the Russian speaking eastern Ukraine in the late 19 twenties. As for the pre-1917 era, Russian was the state language. This didn't prevent other tongues from being spoken outside schools and government offices.

[Kristi79]

" Kto na nas s mechom poydet tot ot svoego ge mecha i pogibnet"
very old russian saying i think by Petr the firt!

[johnstruthers]

Mike, the Soviets may have embarked on an experiment in teaching Ukrainian in Eastern Ukraine for a short period of time, but they canned it pretty quickly. The FACT is, that Russian was the officially required language for all communications in Ukraine for at least the last half century, until only a short time before the collapse of the USSR. Even then, official documents were written and transmitted only in Russian. This simply cannot be argued against. It is fact. And it was imposed from Moscow, obviously.

I like the fact that The_Last_Word engages in a bit of scholarship to support his arguments, but there is also a lot of BS out there in the marketplace. There are lots of books claiming that the Holocaust didn't happen, for instance.

I know of no one here who is aware of the Soviet experiment you claim. It may have taken place, but it is not important: It was superceded by the POLICY that Russian would be the language of OFFICIAL conduct in Ukraine, and would be taught universally throughout Ukraine. This is simply beyond argument. There is no way around it.

[Volodya987]

Krist79, it is not a good idea to quote from Tsars/Tsarinas. My mother told me years ago that, one of them [I'm not sure which, but I think it was a Petro (X). Next time I see her I'll ask her.]
This gentleman, and his wife, had a small guillotine in one corner of their bedroom. Either on some mornings, or every morning, they would order their servants to guillotine a dog, in their in their magnificent presence.
I'm not sure whether or not they ate this dog for their
lunch or supper that day, or whether they did it just for fun. Do you know, Krist79, if Russians eat dog when they're not hungry?
Volodya987

[Freedom1]

Originally posted by mishaaverko
As Russia improves itself, Russia's lost territories will become more attracted to it, with Russia being in a better position to influence the conditions for reunification.

Besides Ukraine and Belarus, there're the Russocentric northern half of Kazakstan (south Siberia) and Trans-Dniester. South Siberia was arbitararily put into the Kazak SSR which ceased to exist with the demise of the Soviet Union. Nobody asked Moldova to become a part of the Soviet Union in 1939. Likewise, nobody asked Trans-Dniester to become a part of the Moldavian SSR which ceased to exist with the demise of the Soviet Union.

There may very well be some other lands seeking closer if not complete ties with a Russian state that it was once part of for centuries pre-dating Soviet rule. Where there's unity, there's often strength.

I pray that narodni ukrainchi get their head out of their tails and finally see the sun light. The answer is to look West. The Russians are, and have always been ethnocentric. Screw them. Ukrainian, Polish cultures are, IMHO much more complex and interesting than Russian culture.

I sincerely believe that a viable, healthy and FREE UKRAINE needs Western connections NOT Eastern ones.