Whose Worse? Hitler or Stalin?

[bm-21Lemko]

Originally Posted by Ak-Murza

Adm.A.V.Kolchak was a Tatar.It wasn't called a "russian civil war",just Civil War.

Anyhow,one has to make a difference between mAAskva and the rest of Russia.Russians mostly don't like mAAskva too much,and the further East you go,the more dislike turns into hate.I'm from Sakhalin Island,so you can imagine my "love" towards mAAskva and it's filthy politics.....

I thought Admiral Kolchak was of romanian descent???

I see there is quite a big ukrainian diaspora on Sakhalin Island. During the Soviet terror, rusyns were only moved into present day Ukraine as far as i know. Thats why there is a higher population than in Poland, Slovakia, and Romania today.

[Ak-Murza]

Adm.A.V.Kolchak is of Romanian,or,rather,Moldovan descent,true,but since his last name is Tatar,his ancestors must have moved to Moldova long before,probably part of Tatar mersaneries.

"...Let us not overlook certain noblemen we always will consider as the best, noblest people of Russia: Gavriil Derjavin, direct descendant of Narbek dynasty; Leon Tolstoy, direct descendant of Idris dynasty; Fedor Dostoevskiy of the Cheleby dynasty; Alexander Kuprin, Tugan- Baranovski, and Anna Ahmatova of the Chagoday dynasty. The very last names of these people speak for them: there were Aksakov (meaning, "limping" in Turkic); Kutuzov (from Khuduz, meaning, "mad"); and Kolchak (from Kholchakh, meaning, "glove")."""...
Crimean Tatars, an article by Vladimir Polyakov


Most Ukrainians came to the Island after WW2.The official NKVD term was "Bandery"(from S.Bandera),but it would include any collaborators,nationalists and even AK people.The standart sentence was 8 years of labor camps on Kolima followed by life exile/settlement on Russian Far East.Sakhalin Island was reserved for the worst of the worst "offenders"

[bm-21Lemko]

Originally Posted by Ak-Murza

Adm.A.V.Kolchak is of Romanian,or,rather,Moldovan descent,true,but since his last name is Tatar,his ancestors must have moved to Moldova long before,probably part of Tatar mersaneries.

"...Let us not overlook certain noblemen we always will consider as the best, noblest people of Russia: Gavriil Derjavin, direct descendant of Narbek dynasty; Leon Tolstoy, direct descendant of Idris dynasty; Fedor Dostoevskiy of the Cheleby dynasty; Alexander Kuprin, Tugan- Baranovski, and Anna Ahmatova of the Chagoday dynasty. The very last names of these people speak for them: there were Aksakov (meaning, "limping" in Turkic); Kutuzov (from Khuduz, meaning, "mad"); and Kolchak (from Kholchakh, meaning, "glove")."""...
Crimean Tatars, an article by Vladimir Polyakov


Most Ukrainians came to the Island after WW2.The official NKVD term was "Bandery"(from S.Bandera),but it would include any collaborators,nationalists and even AK people.The standart sentence was 8 years of labor camps on Kolima followed by life exile/settlement on Russian Far East.Sakhalin Island was reserved for the worst of the worst "offenders"

So is there a tatar community in Moldova? Or is Moldovan romanians have tatar ancestry?

[Ak-Murza]

Tatar mercenaries were invited to serve and settle by countries from Turkey to Lituvania. Great many were made noblemen by those countries.So,yes,there are Tatar communities all over Europe,discended from those mercenaries.Poland would be a good example.There are Tatar enclaves there,many Tatars were shljahta zastenkova,serving in Poland's military.

[V-G]

We'd need a poll to answer the OT question. I think Hitler, but both are pretty close.

[jedna_brew]

both are the same ****, slightly differ only on extermination methods.

mao zedong was even worst - there are calculations that 60 million people died because of his rules, e.g. "great jump" and "cultural revolution".

[StormAU]

Originally Posted by jedna_brew

both are the same ****, slightly differ only on extermination methods.

mao zedong was even worst - there are calculations that 60 million people died because of his rules, e.g. "great jump" and "cultural revolution".

If you take it by population figures (Casualties/Original Population) I think you will find people like Pol Pot and Idi Amin were even worse. Uganda is only now recovering properly from Idi Amin's regime and Cambodia will probably take another generation at least to recover from the policies of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.

Getting back to Hitler and Stalin, my vote would be Hitler. The methods of extermination and the racial views that encouraged these methods were not only brutal but were so horrific as to be inhuman. No one has the right to experiment on others just because they are considered different, no one has the right to attempt the extermination of entire ethnic groups. Yet the Nazi's did this and actively encouraged others to do it also.