Whose Worse? Hitler or Stalin?

[Dekameron]

Originally Posted by The Big Yin

Yes, but as has been said most deaths were in Ukranie and Soviet Ukranie's total population was only about 30 million and if you add the war time deaths etc. (Even taking into account Weston Ukraine getting annexed from Poland) That would mean if 20 million died the former USSR's ethnic Ukrainian population would be much lower than it’s it today, it's simple logic.

Ukraine was the country that lost the most people relative to its size.

Of course Ukrainian history is overblowing the thing but given that basically 90% of ukrainian history is made up thats ok, still it was genocide and quite a serious one.

[dobko]

Originally Posted by Dekameron

Of course Ukrainian history is overblowing the thing but given that basically 90% of ukrainian history is made up thats ok, still it was genocide and quite a serious one.

a very arrogant statement

[dobko]

HOW MANY DIED?
"CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES place the number of deaths in Ukraine due to this enforced famine, at about 4,800,000. Many recognized scholars, however have estimated the number between 5 million to 8 million."

This statement from a United States Senate Document (No. 122 of 1958) can be backed up with actual statistics squeezed out of the Soviet press. The Russian government, however, took special measures to keep secret the death toll. Of course, it has never admitted any statistics or even the existence of the famine. But, indirect references were accidentally made and it is possible to estimate that during the famine from 10% to 25% of Ukraine's population (32,680,700 in January 1932) starved to death.

Vasyl Hryshko, in his factual study says that in 1935 about 25,000 people died daily in the villages of Ukraine, or more than 1,000 per hour or 17 every minute. It was in early 1933 that the greatest loss of life took place. In the first half of the year foreign travel in Ukraine was banned. No newspaper correspondents were allowed to visit the besieged country until the late summer and fall when signs of the famine had been cleared up. The American journalist William Henry Chamberlin visited Ukraine immediately after the ban on travel was lifted. He says every village he visited had lost at least ten percent of its residents.

Hryshko sums up the statistics of 1932 and 1939 in this way. When we compare the 32,680,700 persons living in Ukraine in 1932 with the 1939 figure of 30,960,200 we see that, taking into account the normal 2.36 per cent annual increase, in seven years Ukraine had lost 7,465,000 persons. Of this number, Hryshko says, some 4,821,600 persons or roughly 18.8 percent of the Ukrainian population, died in the years 1932-1933.

[Ak-Murza]

And out of all those numbers how many were ethnic Ukrainians,ethnic Russians,etc.?
And now many Ukrainians were there in that evil "Russian" goverment? I assume,you did mean "SOVIET" goverment?

[bm-21Lemko]

a small percentage of ethnic ukrainians made up politburo. The Poliburo was composed of 9% of the Soviet Adult population.

Locally in the soviet republic of Ukraine i would imagine a higher percentage of ukrainians were in the local administration.

[Ak-Murza]

So,how many ethnic Russians in Ukraine have died during Ukrainian Golodomor?

[bm-21Lemko]

well i call it holodomor

My answer is i don't know. However i do know this when ukrainian peaseants traveled north to russia seeking bread, they were turned away by russian police on orders of Stalin and were accused as polish agents. These are facts.

I don't know what percentage of russians died but since Kharkiv was an area of starvation i imagine some died unless the russian authorities deemed them not polish agents.

Moldova was also affected by the holodomor.