Pilsudsky and Petliura

[Halina]

You have to use combination of B /B enclosed in square brackets! More info at your rq.

Czesc Zbyszku,

Bardzo dziekuje. Postaram sie tak robic.
I do hope that you've found many mushrooms !!!
(Lucky you. They do not really have a lot of woods here & if there are any, they are PRIVATE !). But I am getting some mushrooms sent from home soon.
Cheers,
Halina

[Halina]

Originally posted by Batukhan
Halina
You are kind of a Lady ,I have to admit,good words .
Batukhan [/B]

Hi Batukhan,
Thank you very much. That is the nicest complement I have ever heard, honest.
Bye
Halina

[Batukhan]

Hi Batukhan,
Thank you very much. That is the nicest complement I have ever heard, honest.
Bye
Halina

Dziekuje ,Jestes wspaniala diewczyna ,Is that good Polish? .
From Litewski Tatar
ex Tuchaj Bey

[Zbyszek]

Originally posted by Batukhan

...
,Is that good Polish? .
From Litewski Tatar
ex Tuchaj Bey

Tuchaj Bey/Batukhan,

Pozdrowienia od Polaka z Mazowsza dla Litewskiego bojara.

I am so glad to find your trace at last. I really appreciate your contributions concerning Ukraine-Poland issues. I have some info. for you concerning the Tatar graveyard in Tatarska street in Warsaw. I visit it from time to time because my grandpa who died in 1939 defending Warsaw against Nazis rests in the old Powazki graveyeard nearby.
Some time has passed time since you kept visiting ukraine.com.
I think your dispute with steve_vlasenko was not easy but you managed very well. Your views are supported not so much by the amount of "sources" but by your life experience and that really means something.
Now, our discusions here are more friendly.
(I probably have a bit of Lithuanian blood in my veins because my greatgreatgreatgrandma came from the Lithuanian nobles named Pac).

[Batukhan]

[ ,Is that good Polish? .
From Litewski Tatar
ex Tuchaj Bey [/B][/QUOTE]

Tuchaj Bey/Batukhan,

Pozdrowienia od Polaka z Mazowsza dla Litewskiego bojara.

I am so glad to find your trace at last. I really appreciate your contributions concerning Ukraine-Poland issues. I have some info. for you concerning the Tatar graveyard in Tatarska street in Warsaw. I visit it from time to time because my grandpa who died in 1939 defending Warsaw against Nazis rests in the old Powazki graveyeard nearby.
Some time has passed time since you kept visiting ukraine.com.
I think your dispute with steve_vlasenko was not easy but you managed very well. Your views are supported not so much by the amount of "sources" but by your life experience and that really means something.
Now, our discusions here are more friendly.
(I probably have a bit of Lithuanian blood in my veins because my greatgreatgreatgrandma came from the Lithuanian nobles named Pac). [/B][/QUOTE]



Czolem Mosci Panie Zbyszku
Yes I was away and lost my password and had to re-register
but with new nick name but this time I used my nick name from Soviet Army ,yes we use them too.
Yes it was not easy to dispute with Steve V.We were from diffrent worlds,plus my limmited knowlage of English and use of internet did not help.I can speak almost fluent but writing, diffrent story
Yes I was in Afganistan again to train wonna be "Soldiers of Fortune "for Nortern Alliance ,how to shoot strait and not wet pents the moment they come eccros some Taliban troopers.Bunch of Muslims from all over central Assian Countries and some Afgans
But this time we been payed well and look after by some richer govermant then Soviet Union .
My deputy was ex Master Sargent from RA born in Ukraine
with very interesting background ,spoke not bad polish plus there were some American contact officers speaking Russians or Polish ,so we have little Lechistan
Fighting was the name of the game for Tatars in old Rzeczypospolita so at least I tried to keep tradtions in my family ,too bad not in Polish Army .My Grandpa was a lucky guy ,Lived in better times,start with Russian Army in WW1 but the moment he noticed there is Polish Army on Austrian front (Galicja) he took whole company of his and deserted to Legiony Pilsdzkiego .And with them served all the way till the end of Polish Bolsheviks war of 1920 -21.
Most of the time just behind enemies lines.
It all started from King Batory times ,one of my great great predecesor got cought as POW from Crimean Tatars
and did not take long to join Commonwealth army and fought with Batory in the battle of Pskov along with lot more like him .After that the other just followed the traditions ,till the end of Commonwealth ,We wind up in Russia ,some family members kept traditions ,but very few and between ,it was not thiers country to serve.Long story .But in Soviet Times ,there was not much to chose .
If you wanna be soldier ,then you have to be red soldier.
****ty times .
I was in Poland many times over the years.I learn polish mostly from my Grandma ,she took care of me and send me to Polish elementry school in Wilno and the rest I just learn on my own .
Well if you are conected to Pac family there is posiblity some of my predecesors fought under them as they were also in charge of Lithuanian army here and there .

""In the 16th century Lithuania was a multi-ethnic state with its capital Vilnius, a big city of 20,000 inhabitants, dominated by the steeples of numerous Catholic churches interspersed with the onion domes of Orthodox churches, the minarets of mosques and the faГades of synagogues. It was a metropolis of a well-organised and well-administered state, ruled by a few noble families, the Radvillus, Gasztoldus, Pac and Sapieha. The official language of the Office of the Grand Duke was Old Slavonic, which later, after some hesitation about the introduction of Latin, was replaced by Polish, the language of the Church and, increasingly, of the nobility and the gentry. Nonetheless, state rulers returning to Vilnius would be pompously welcomed with Lithuanian hymns. The Jews, who had come to Lithuania at the invitation of the Grand Dukes, spoke Yiddish, and the Tartars prayed in mosques in Arabic. It was a European Renaissance city with its gates open to the East.<<<

Little copy from history side
Some day I should dig more into my tresure kuffer and see more into old memoirs and old family records ,somehow most of that survived the wars and bad times .

Too much of that stuff ,the forum changed for better now ,less fighting and more real discutions.I been reading here and there but I did not have much time to patricpate .
My internet access was not allways aviable ,to much on the road .But some day I might contribute if time permits .

Regards
Jasmen Batusewicz,
Batukhan/Tuchaj Bey

[Halina]

Wacpanna wielce rada, zes Wacpan raczyl zawitac !

Panie Batusiewicz - you sneaky devil ! I was thinking for days: 'Where is Tuchajbej??? He obviously doesn't want to come to the forum again'. But you were there all the time camouflaged as 'Batukhan', while I/we were sending wistful allusions to your presence on the forum.
I have read most of your comments & I want to say 'Thank you' for defending the Commonwealth. It had its faults ('freaking liberum veto'), but it was quite tolerant & unique for that time.
Your life sounds really interesting. Unlike you, or Zbyszek I, personally, cannot boast of some prominent ancestors ( my husband can - both his great grandfather & great grandmother were from nobility & fought as Pilsudzki's legionaries & his grandpa was a bomber pilot in Britain during the blitz).
Well, I don't have my own coat of arms, but I genuinly like history & believe it, or not - I have learnt a lot on this forum, also about my own arrogance...
But I have shown your own comments to my husband who found them really good, so I am rather happy you have turned up at last!!!
Dziekuje
Pani Halina z Lechistanu.

[Zbyszek]

Droga Halinko,

Wybacz Wacpanna smialosc moja, ale serce szczerze sie raduje gdy o Rzeczypospolitej tak zacni waszmosciowie jak Batukhan dobra pamiec maja i bialoglowy z przyrodzonym sarmackim uwazaniem klada.

You can treat the following link as a belated nameday present. I suppose that your possible day could be on July 1st.
I found it for you and all others, truly interested in Galicia and all Ukrainian issues.

The Ukrainian author of this website is of Ukrainian-Polish-Jewish-Tartar-Russian descent, he is a professional historian and his work is great in spite of his young age. I particularly appreciate his extensive comments in Polish , maybe with funny errors, but so hopeful. I do not say I can agree with every Romek's statement but his respect for the past is worth remembering.
http://www.personal.ceu.hu/students/...rii/index.html

Z serdecznymi pozdrowieniami z Ziemi Mazowieckiej
Zbyszek


[Edited by Zbyszek on 15th October 2002 at 22:34]