Pilsudsky and Petliura

[mishaaverko]

H O X !

H O X !

H O X !

N Y U K !

N Y U K !

N Y U K !

[happy_gunner]

Interesting comparisons Zbyszek, linguists say that English is more closely related to Polish, Ukrainian & Russian than it is to French, Welsh and Irish.
Strange the views of some Russians to Ukrainian, I have a book on Russian (from c.1915) that refers to Ukrainian as a "dialect" but still states that it is as different from Russian as Polish is.

[Volodya987]

Dear happy_gunner'
Many years ago, I read, in an antipodean gez.et.a,
an article about Indo/European languages. This article
asserted that, according to computer studies, the language
spoken by "western Ukrainians" is the centre of
"Indo/European" languages. It is the least deviated from
the original.
Two possibilities lend themselves to speculation:
Either "native" Ukrainians are "The" centre of the current
"mess", or "we are the "centre which always sticks to the
truth (pravda/pravo)".
Any takers in this discussion?
This "istorechna" strand also includes the "trident". As a young person I was taught that the "tre zoob" is
called "The schizophrenic King staring at his own dick".
The thing hanging down, are the "balls", and, the parallel
lines, constituting its body, are "'The' Roman Roads".
This device is an eye opener. ie According to my own
studies, WW11 is a classic example of
"the schizophrenic King staring at his own dick".
Antipodean residents, tell me that their fathers tell
them, that WW11 was a real horror because the were killing
themselves. ie English, pretending to be {eeek}Australian,
U.K, U.S.A) were fighting English pretending to be
....................
It was as if they were shooting into a mirror.
The Tre_Zub is a warning about nations splitting
themselves, and what Not To Be Like.
Volodya987

[happy_gunner]

Originally posted by Volodya987
Dear happy_gunner'
Many years ago, I read, in an antipodean gez.et.a,
an article about Indo/European languages. This article
asserted that, according to computer studies, the language
spoken by "western Ukrainians" is the centre of
"Indo/European" languages. It is the least deviated from
the original.
Two possibilities lend themselves to speculation:
Either "native" Ukrainians are "The" centre of the current
"mess", or "we are the "centre which always sticks to the
truth (pravda/pravo)".
Any takers in this discussion?

Hiya Volodya, I spent a mad, happy, gruelling and drunken 16 months in upside-down-land, I hope you are as happy down there as I was.
Ah yes the Indo-European language. I did a trawl around the internet looking into this, to help me understand Davies' History of Europe (recommended here by Pan Zbyszek), it appears that it is mostly guess-work about where it originated.
When the British discovered it, in the last century, for political reasons (which I'm not sure about the nature of) it suited them to say that Indians took the lingo to Europe.
As we all probably know, Hitler's lads preferred to believe in a race of Nordic "Aryans" bringing the lingo to India.
When the evidence of ancient settlements in present-day Ukraine were discovered, details of which are on here somewhere courtesy of Irinka, scholars coupled this with the fact that Ukraine is in the centre of the Indo-European-speaking world, put 2 and 2 together and made 4? 27? 58,000? Who knows?
I found another web page asserting that Armenia was the origin but again it seems to be mainly guessing.
If you are interested I'll try and retrieve the relevant links.

[Volodya987]

Dear happy_gunner,

I quote from an old "Rus claiming they are British" book
Called "CyclopAEdia of Universal History comprising Tabular
Views of Contemporaneous Events in all ages, from the Earliest Records to the Present Time. Arranged Chronologically and Alphabetically".
Edited by Isaiah McBurney, B.A., and Samuel Neil
Published by the University of Glascow
Richard Griffin and Company
London and Glascow 1855.
I quote from page 7:
Quote A.
"The knowledge to be gleaned from the Jewish & Grecisn writers leaves us " sayes Sir J. Stoddart "much in the dark as to the early history of India: and we naturally turn to, for fuller information, to the native authorities.
These, however,were for a long time so little known in Europe, that the very learned COElius Rhodiginus, the instructor of Scaliger, does not hesitate to state it as the general opinion of his time,(in the reign of our Henry V111) that letters are unknown to the Indians". On the contrary THEIR WRITINGS ARE INNUMERABLE
(their emphasis, not mine)................(etc etc um er)
(further down the page)
"It is needless to add, that the political Institutions of India as they existed at the time of Alexander's invasion, imply ages of previou civilisation, and a very considerable progress made in the arts and sciences, even before they had been so successfully cultivated in Greece".
Thus wrote Sir John Stoddard in the year 1850, in anticipation, as it were,of discoveries recently made known in a work, entitled "INDIA IN GREECE; or TRUTH IN MYTHOLOGY, by E. Pococre, EsQ."
According to Mr. Pockocke, when the great religious wars occured in India between the Brahminical and Buddhistic sects, the latter sect, being defeated, emigrated in large bands from Afghanistan & north-western India. They proceeded, partly by the Indus, and thence by sea to Egypt, and partly overland to Mesopotamia, Palestine and Greece, carrying with them the evidence of their early civilization _their arts, institutions, and religion. Not only were these countries thus colonised, but Italy and the Scandinavian nations, including Britain.
In support of these views, Mr Pococke cites a multitude of words which, though commonly believed to be Greek, are in reality Sanscrit, or Palasgic, and which, though without meaning in Greek, are, when considered in Sanscrit, pregnant with meaning, and adapted to throw much light on the early history of the human race. Thus it appears, that the remarkable facts above stated, can be satisfactorally demonstrated by this novel interpretation of Grecian documents; that it is possible, also, to point out, in Cashmir, Thibet, Scinde, and the Himalayan mountains, the localities of the tribes who founded the Grecian provinces of Epirus, Thessaly, BOEotica, Attica, Acarnania, Achaia, the Locri, Corinth, and Megaris: the Pelasgi can be satisfactorily accounted for; and that much of Grecan mythology, and many of the heroic legends, can be stripped of their Grecan disguises, and be reduced in this manner to plain practical history-the Olympian gods and the national heroes becoming well-discriminated ordinary Indian mortals.
If Mr. Pococke's discoveries endure the test of sound, candid, scholarlike, critisism, the work in which they are embodied will prove of the highest importance to the philologist, the historian, and the ethnologist."
END OF FIRST QUOTE.
This book predates the "nothing ever happened in your land before the British came and convinced you that you are an
ape with a thumb" rubber, or "The" K.Now.Ledge.
A further quote from a pre ethnically cleansed is.tor.+A book, for our "Jewish" bratk(u) i sestr(u).
(In "The" Book V Are: u is for egg cup: NO CAPITAL CUP)
Quote B.
DYNASTY OF THE HYKSOS
Or Shepheard Kings (Dr H. 2159-1899).-2188.
2182 Salatis invades Egypt(?1850)
The Shepheard dynasty, according to Dr. Hales, numbered six kings, viz;-1. SALATIS, 19 years; 2. BAION,44 years;
3. APACHNES, 37 years. During this sovreigns reign was commenced
THE FIRST PYRAMID (2095 Dr. Hales)
Abram visits Egypt (2077 Dr. H) ?1921
4. APOPHES, 61 years; 5. JANAIS, 50 years; 6. AssIs, 49 years.
[This dynasty is rejected by Sir John Stoddard, who maintains , with Tatian, Justin Martyr, and other ancient authors, that a nation of shepherd captives (the Hebrews) are referred to, and not a dynasty of shepherd kings. If this position be correct,it is manifest that the period assigned for the kings is far too early for the captives.
Dr. Eadie is, however, of a different opinion. "Josephus and other writers," the Doctor says, "have strangely confounded the Hyxos with the Israelites: but this theory, though it has met with strenuous supporters even in modern times, may now be regarded as completely exploded." Dr. Hales states, that an account of the conquest of Egypt by the shepheard tribe is preserved in the Sacred Books of the Hindoos]
Quote C.
Here I quote from the book's Index page 1v. under Age or E.RA:
The oldest mentioned are:
Constantinople, of 5509BC
Alexandria 5503BC
Antioch 5493BC
etc etc etc
Rome, of 753BC
Olympiad 776BC
etc etc etc
Spain, of 39AD
A "Christian age/e.ra is nowhere to be found. Could you
Akrider explain to us "not Ch'i.cargo cubs" exactly who
pushes a "Christian era" rather than "A Spanish era" as
"modern times".
Skela (nee Volodya987)

[Zawisza]

Hello Im new here I was reading some of the topics on this forum and I wish to write something in reference to anyone who has the idea that Pilsudski wanting to be friendly with Hitler and the Nazi regime. Im not sure who wrote this but I would like to ask where do you get this information from? I have a book about central and eastern europe; what led to WW2 and what happened during ww2. One interesting thing it says is that Pilsudski in 1934 or 35 was discussing possibilities of an attack on Germany with French foreign minister, i do not remember his name if you would like I'll check and tell you. In any case Pilsudski saw that Hitler was breaking the treaty of versailles and naturally being the neighbor of germany it concerned him, so he wanted france to attack from the west and Poland would invade fomr the east and prevent Hitler form breaking anymore policies concerning the treaty of versailles. this didnt happen obviously because the french foreign minister didnt think it was necessary he obviously felt comfortable with his maginot line. It was then that Pilsudski had no other choice but to follow the west and try to solve everything peacefully by appeasement. a year or so later Pilsudski died. I do support Pilsudski however i do not support his idea that Russia was enemy #1, I agree more with Roman Dmowski's ideas where he supported closer ties with Russia and keeping enemy #1 spot open for the Germans. Some other things here that i've read I have never read in any book this is all new to me, about how he threatened to kill little girls and such or building concentration camps, where do you get this information? I personally do consider Pilsudski a national hero, obviously there are people here who may not agree with me but I have read quite a bit on pilsudksi from different authors and I have neevr heard aything that would be comparable to hitler. Maybe Stalin, but that was when Norman Davies wrote in White Eagle, Red Star: "As a journalist turned army leader he was in the class of Trotsky; as a professional gangster he rivalled Stalin; as gentleman turned party organizer he had something in common with Lenin. Although he lacked the intellectual development of the Bolsheviks, he owed them nothing in dedication or success." You may say what you like about Pilsudski but he did something that should be admired; he was a gnagster or thief in some ways as he robbed gold of russian trains and he used this money to build himself a riflemans club, from where he would later get his soldiers from. He also was responsible for the victory at Radzymin a very decisive battle for Europe if Poland would have fallen then the red army would join communists in germany and spread a world revolution.