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Old 8th May 2002, 15:15
luma luma is offline
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Hallo! I'm Luma I come from Romania and I study Eastern European History in Tubingen Germany. We have this semster a project: we want to make a virtual exibition in the internet, regarding streotypes and the image of enimies. Some of my fellow students have chosen for example Poland and Germany. My theme is Poland and Ukraine. In the center of my research I'll place the Cossack Wars. But I would really show the evolution of the stereotypes until the present days. Wonder if you could help me out? I already have some Cossak paintings and I saw Hoffman's film. But I wouls like to hear you opinion about this theme? And if somebody could help me out with some new information, links, articles, caricatures, pictures I would be very greatful! My great problem is that my Ukrainian language knowledge is very poor.
I hope to hear soon from you! Luma
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Old 15th May 2002, 09:04
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the most interesting topic you have

you are quite right about your choice.

Unfortunately the cossack wars against RP in 17th century are still under the quite opposit views.
This were one of the most cruel wars of 17th century and hollocast for jews.
Still the Ukrainian historians blames their polish opponents.
Each side has its own herous and enemies.
What for me- I am supporter of Jeremii Wisniowecki, who considered as traitor of ukrainian nation and Orthodox church.
On the contrary Bohdan Zinobii Chmel is one of the most famous symbols of Ukrainian state (although he made possible to die nearly quarter of his own nation (Ukrainian) and permit to kill Jews and Polyacks in thousands). More likely Adolph Hitler.
may be these very contrary web sites will help you.

Polish one- http://www.JAREMA.ART.PL
Ukrainian -WWW.ZSU.ZP.UA/euk/

the last one is dedicated to cossacks,
In modern ukraine these cossacks became the symbols of freedom, and the facts of their crymes against jews, local nobility, turkish civil population and their destruction of monasteries, castles and libraries are quite neglected.
You will find much information on it if you read previous threads of these forum.
I myself is very interested in the topic- please let me know about any references you will find.
Is it possible to read your studies in any language except German?
By the way, I am from Moldova, Kishinev. But I live in kiev.
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Old 15th May 2002, 11:27
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one more link

http://www.cossackdom.com:10008/
This site has many articles and pictures, illustrations
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Old 15th May 2002, 19:17
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hello zhuk, i haven't seen any posts from you in some time, so your post above this one proves that you are still in the land of the living. Here is a book for you to read on Russia and Ukraine, since your interests include history: 'Night of Stone' by Catherine Merridale'. Brilliant stuff, would bring tears to a stone. This is the one for you.
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Old 16th May 2002, 14:06
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thanks and welcome to ukraine


thank you, I will try to find it on amazon.com
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Old 22nd May 2002, 16:30
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Hallo Zhuk!
Thanks a lot for your information and links! I found some intersting things there which I'll probaly use! Our virtual exibition would be in German, but there will be mainly picutes and we hope less text! When will finish it, probably this summer I'll sent you the address! And if you ask me something, I'll be glad to translate it for you! Luma
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Old 22nd May 2002, 20:44
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At the end of the paragraph...



It seems to me that both Poles and Ukrainians cultivate stereotypes which are as false as popular.

For Ukrainians Poles are arrogant lords searching for oportunity to slave and denationalize them.
For Poles Ukrainians are murderers, responsible for dosens of etnic cleansings realized on Poles.

It isn’t up to me to impair image of Poles which stroke deeper roots in Ukrainian mentality, but I strongely disagree with stereotype of Ukrainian popular in Polish society. I know few dosens of reports of Ukrainians who payed the highest tribute for helping Poles.
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