Polish city Lwow

[Jarema]

yes my dear bug,

you cannot turn the clock backwards.

where do we go from here ??

[Bartosz]

Originally posted by Jarema
Bartosz


Are you an SLD or PSL supporter ?


Jarema

Why do you stray from the subject, partner? What a matter play my eventual political sympathies versus the immensity of the Universe?

But if you insist I will come up with your expectations: I'm the follower of UW (you know, these nasty, cosmopolite Masons propagating rotten Liberalism).

[Bartosz]

Originally posted by zhuk
Gentlemen, I will try to assume the debate.
1. Everybody is sure that Lviv was polish city till 1939 and the center of first -polish and second-Galician culture.
It belonged to Poland and prospered.
2. Since 1939 it was taken by Soviets and included into Ukraine. Althouh it was not justified by history and it was a great lost for Poland.
BUT we should admit that modern population of Lvov, educated by the ideology of Ukrainian Official History. Which tells that this city was always ukrainian/-this modern population will not let the city became polish again.
Children in the ukrainian schools since 1939 were told that ukrainian heroes- cossacks were always fighting damned Polish Panny. Look around in modern ukraine and you will find the names of Bohdan Cmelnitsky, Bohun, Severin Nalivaiko and Maxim Krivonos in the names of the streets and on the monuments.
Alas, The city is Ukrainian. So we should cease our temper-cause it would be unnatural to return it to Poland now.

I hope that this discussion tranquilized our Ukrainian debaters. In Polish society revisionists are in the unessential minority. Nobody serious would claim that Lwow isn't Ukrainian.

[Lwow_pl]

You're wrong, Bartosz. Most of people in Poland know, that Lwow is Polish, and not Ukrainian city. But you, as reader of "Gazeta Wyborcza", don't want to say that.

[Bartosz]

I never state things I▓m not convinced for.

If what you declare is true, so most of people in Poland haven▓t taken a trouble to look at the map. If you do, you easily will distinguish, that Lwow is on the Ukrainian side of the border. About 60 kilometers away. I strongly encourage you to carry on this experiment.

However I have some strange presentiment that my compatriots are more educated than it would result from your suggestions┘

[Hannia]

Long, but interesting read.

<According to the 1880 census, Poles made up 51% of the Galician population, while Ukrainians/Ruthenians accounted for 43%. As Wereszycki (1990, 141) notes, however, the Polish figure included the bulk of Galicia’s significant Jewish population who, for the purposes of the census (in which nationality was determined by language – Polish, German or Ukrainian) were identified as Poles.>

Excerpt

Re-ordering Europe▓s Eastern Frontier:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache...ion+1900&hl=en

[Lwow_pl]

I wrote NOT about population of Galicja , but about population of Lwow. Poles were 55-60% of people, who lived there before WW2 (without including Jews). Galician Ukrainians lived usually in villages.