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Old 17th December 2001, 14:23
Jarema Jarema is offline
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I G N O R A N C E

Typical, leftist ignorance.

I am truly sorry that you do not know your own, Polish history.

You wrote:

"For over 40 years official Polish interpretation of the History was stating that Silesia (Lower included), was inhibited almost ONLY by Poles… Miserable..."

Yes, miserable. But those wer not just ANY POLES. Those were communists. The same people, that in other parts of Poland put innocent civilians in jail because of their opinions. The same people that worked for the USSR.

They were opportunist and traitors.

You really should try to learn Polish history Bartosz ! (unless you think it is enough to learn history from Kapitan Kloss and his comrades).
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Old 17th December 2001, 16:36
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Jarema, you have absolutely right! I have nothing more to say!
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Old 17th December 2001, 19:33
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Infantilism and infatuation

Thank you guys for pervasive analysis of my knowledge of the history. You bestow the word ‘ignorance’ a new meaning.

Kapitan Kloss is cool, but I give the priority to the other resources.

I wasn’t taken by your arguments. In the years 1965-1968, when were destroyed the most of German graveyards in Western Poland (in the same period tens Ukrainian in Bieszczady) wasn’t registered a single act of protest from the side of the Polish society. For usual people this act of barbarity was simply comfortable. But I also can’t remind a single act of protest of our elites or Polish Church. I’m not sure if a single person was repressed for protesting against wiping off the smallest traces of German culture. Party with the nation – nation with the party: this slogan was extremely true in that regard.

So simply are modern days Poles. These noble died out long time ago.
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Old 18th December 2001, 00:35
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why can't you people debate cooly ? if anyone is interested in the facts: here they are. Poland was a three time loser
invaded by germany in september 1939, some weeks later invaded by USSR as agreed in a secret with germany, completely taken over by Nazis, and just before war ended reinvaded completely by USSR, and brought under communist yoke which ensured a poverty stricken economy with no democracy. This has had a modern polish economy being unable to join the EU
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Old 18th December 2001, 07:18
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Let bygones be bygones. One can't be eternally wedded to the past, however glorious it would be. Our chance lies in the future, and this is based on the presence. And the reality states that Lviv is Ukrainian and inhabited by Ukrainians.

I think that Michael Collins would agree with my point of view!
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Old 18th December 2001, 08:25
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Trying to be more realistic

Gentlemen, I will try to assume the debate.
1. Everybody is sure that Lviv was polish city till 1939 and the center of first -polish and second-Galician culture.
It belonged to Poland and prospered.
2. Since 1939 it was taken by Soviets and included into Ukraine. Althouh it was not justified by history and it was a great lost for Poland.
BUT we should admit that modern population of Lvov, educated by the ideology of Ukrainian Official History. Which tells that this city was always ukrainian/-this modern population will not let the city became polish again.
Children in the ukrainian schools since 1939 were told that ukrainian heroes- cossacks were always fighting damned Polish Panny. Look around in modern ukraine and you will find the names of Bohdan Cmelnitsky, Bohun, Severin Nalivaiko and Maxim Krivonos in the names of the streets and on the monuments.
Alas, The city is Ukrainian. So we should cease our temper-cause it would be unnatural to return it to Poland now.
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Old 18th December 2001, 08:32
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Question ??????????????????????

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Are you an SLD or PSL supporter ?


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