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[StasUA]

Since there were misunderstandings here, that I've found while scanning through the "discussion".

It's never been a secret who found Lviv.

It was son of Ukrainian Knyaz' Romanow, who fought against Poland. He had two sons, Danylo and Wasylko. When lands of Romanow were captured by enemies, Danylo was at the time Knyaz of Wolin' and Holmshina. When he recaptured Romanows lands, he established Lviv and called for Roman Pope Inokentiem IV to help Ukraine fight off Tatars. And in 1253 Pope declared Danylo King of all Ukraine, then sent to Ukraine his official Opizon to perform coronation of King Danylo of Ukraine in a city of Dorogychini. However when Pope called for European Powers to help Ukraine fight-off hordes of tatars, they all refused.

P.S. I wonder if they would help Ukraine, if such would happen these days... probably not.

[The_Last_Word]

Just to clear everything out

This is not new. You're only trying to get everyone as confused as you are.

And in 1253 Pope declared Danylo King of all Ukraine, then sent to Ukraine his official Opizon to perform coronation of King Danylo of Ukraine

In 1253, the pope crowned prince Danilo as King of Rus, not King of Ukraine.

And don't you delete my post again.

[StasUA]

In 1253, Rus was Ukraine, the language was almost modern Ukrainian, the capital was Kyiv, the people was the same people as people that live in Ukraine now.

I said "King of all Ukraine" because, if you say, "King of all Rus" then the misunderstanding could arise with Rus and Russia(As Muscovite State renamed itself to Russia, in 17 century).

I apologize if any confusing was added from my side.
I really do think, that it's all clear and there is not confusing.

[The_Last_Word]

Seems that you're as confused as a chicken on the road.

Look in any historical document, it says King of Rus (or King of All Rus), but nowhere will you find a ukrainian.
If you're worried about misunderstandings arising, you yourself create more misunderstanding. You're the modern Bolshevik and Nazi changing history as you see fit for you political nationalistic purposes.

Also from the Russian chronicles of that time, if you read them, you will discover that the language is not what Ukrainians speak today. The language of the old Rus closer resembles modern Russian in its vocabulary, grammatical structure and overall characteristics, than modern Ukrainian, with all its Polish borrowings.

Further regarding your confusion, Muscovite Russia did not change its name in the 17th century, only in your head.

And you did delete my post before.

[StasUA]

Perhaps you weren't able to perceive what I presented rationally.

Danylo, was indeed "King of all Rus", - however, as I explained in the earlier post, Rus was a country back then, that with time, came to be known as Ukraine(today). Therefore statements "King of all Rus" and "King of all Ukraine" are equivalent in their meaning.

"If you're worried about misunderstandings arising, you yourself create more misunderstanding. You're the modern Bolshevik and Nazi changing history as you see fit for you political nationalistic purposes."
- support it with direct information.

"Also from the Russian chronicles of that time"
It's 13th century, there were no "Russian chronicles", Moscow was still a village that was located at the very end of the nation. These are Ukrainian chronicles that you are referring to, and all of them suggest, that modern Ukrianian is the closest language of all Slavic languages to the Ancient Kievan Rus' language. Especially to Russian, which is more different than all other Slavic languages, due to the various influences it underwent.
Take the simplest example, all 12 months are the same in modern Ukrainian as they were in Kievan Rus', - find those chronicled if you possess that much time and you will be enlightened.

If you are interested in learning on the subject, I can find contacts for you, of my friend who specializes in the study of ancient Slavonic languages, and he will provide necessary information for yourself.

P.S. I did not delete your post, or perhaps that happened a year ago? If so, it might be possible.

[The_Last_Word]

Perhaps you weren't able to perceive what I presented rationally

No, I just think nobody would call your presentation rational.

Danylo, was indeed "King of all Rus", - however, as I explained in the earlier post, Rus was a country back then, that with time, came to be known as Ukraine(today). Therefore statements "King of all Rus" and "King of all Ukraine" are equivalent in their meaning

Danila was ⌠indeed■ NOT King of all Rus. He only ruled a small part. And it's not equivalent to say "king of Ukraine." Otherwise, you should also call him king of Scythia and king of Gothia.
Also, Danial was given the title by the distant pope in Rome, who had no political or religious jurisdiction over Orthodox Russian principalities. Danilo only sought this contact for political and military reasons. Furthermore, Galicia and Volyn were not even part of Rus under Oleg, Igor, Olga and Svyatoslav. These regions were conquered by Vladimir and Yaroslav and only then became part of the Russian state. Nevertheless, after that the Galicians didn▓t call themselves Ukrainians but Russians (Rusyny).

I see that according to your logic, the statement Emperor Justinian of the Byzantine Empire is equivalent to Sultan Justinian of the Ottoman Empire.

You▓re trying to change history and make people believe in something that didn▓t exist, what Joseph Goebbels was doing in Nazi Germany and the communists in the USSR. That's why you're like them.

I am not talking about 13th century chronicles. The Primary Chronicle language is closer to modern Russian than to Ukrainian, as many linguists and philologists have noted. Rusanovsky, Maidanov, Bantysh-Kamensky have noted that Russian in Poland suffered from the infusion of Polish and others languages into it and became a Russian-Polish dialect, which you today call Ukrainian. And that Russian is closer to Kievan Russian.
Today official Kiev is systematically trying to eradicate Russian from being spoken by two thirds of the country. By doing so, it is only destroying the original native language of the people, who, by the way, overwhelmingly choose to speak Russian in the Ukraine.

The city discussed is called Lvov in the Russian Chronicles, as it is called by the Russians today. Ukrainians changed it to Lviv. The names of months appear both ways in Russian chronicles.

I can contact my own experts on languages, thank you. One such expert is academic B. A. Rybakov, who wrote that the Great Russian language originated from Kievan nobility before the 12th century.

So, you finally admit you deleted my post, has it been a year already?

[Drij]

Okay I love the arguments, but wherear eoyu guys getting this stuff?? I need something new to read on this exact ukrainian history it seems intresting so where is it from?

Drij