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Old 11th July 2001, 12:44
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From the BBC.

Kinda backs up the arguements of anti-Polak kissers.

Waitin' for the Polak responce. I is sure it's gonna metion Serbia.

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Polish President Alexander Kwasniewski has made a formal apology on behalf of the Polish people for a massacre of Jews 60 years ago.
"For this crime we should beg the souls of the dead and their families for forgiveness," he said at a ceremony in the village of Jedwabne.
"This is why today, as a citizen and as the president of the Republic of Poland, I beg pardon. I beg pardon in my own name, and in the name of those Poles whose conscience is shattered by that crime," he said.
During the years of communism, the massacre in Jedwabne had always been blamed on the Nazis.
But in the last 12 months books have been published challenging that view - it is now believed that hundreds, possibly as many as 1,600 Jews, were murdered, not by the Germans, but by their own neighbours.
During the ceremony people placed stones, candles and wreaths on a new monument in memory of the victims.
New evidence
The inscription on the new memorial stone, written in Polish, Hebrew and Yiddish, reads: "To the memory of Jews from Jedwabne and the surrounding area, men, women and children, inhabitants of this land who were murdered and burnt alive on this spot on 10 July, 1941".
A Polish commission investigating the incident has so far found that Poles did the killing.
The fact that the inscription says nothing about who committed the massacre and makes no mention of any Polish involvement has caused bitterness among some Jews.
Evidence published in a book by Polish-American Jan Tomas Gross suggests that on 10 July 1941, the Poles of the village turned on their neighbours in a frenzy of bloodletting, which lasted eight hours.
The day culminated with hundreds of Jews being herded into a barn and burned alive.
The issue remains divisive - some locals, including the parish priest, stayed away from the ceremony in protest.
"These are all lies. I am spending the day quietly at home. It is Holocaust business. It is not my business. Germans are responsible, so why should we apologise?" the priest, Edward Orlowski, said.
Exhumations blocked
An official investigation has been hampered by Jewish laws forbidding the exhumation of the dead.
Investigators were allowed to analyse the top layer of corpses in one site only, whilst other mass graves remained untouched.
One of those who has returned for the ceremony is Ty Rogers from New York, whose grandfather was born in the village. He lost 26 relatives in one day.
Like many Jews, he is angry that for political reasons, the inscription on the new monument still will not apportion blame for the killings.
Jewish leaders say the book is forcing the Poles to re-work the view of themselves as victims and admit their own part in the Holocaust.


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Old 11th July 2001, 12:54
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I don't have any connection with Poles or Serbs so my opinion is objective and unbiased.I don't think you should judge people too harshly for their actions during the war.When one is faced with the possible execution of one's family at any time and when brutality and hardship become a way of life high minded principles such as basic humanity might take second place to the need for survival.If ensuring my own survival and that of my family depended on executing another human being then I wouldn't like to say what my reaction would be.
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Old 11th July 2001, 15:45
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Er Me point dude.

You is gonna find that the Polaks is here to run down the Ukrianians & other Slavs ignorin' the point you is makin' Maybes if yous is havin' a look around you is seein' this.

Read the mud hut livin' Tartar's post. They finks that the Polaks is the most angelic dudes on earth & all other dudes is out to do 'em wrong.

They is well humpty with you Poms, 'Cos' you shoulda entered the war sooner.

I's waitin' for the Polak attack.

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Old 11th July 2001, 21:54
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NZman,

are you serious about these allegations?


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Old 12th July 2001, 08:51
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Nonson, is that you Or does we have an imposter

Anyways these int me allegations they is from the BBC & the other points is there to be read.

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Old 13th July 2001, 08:39
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Re: Me point

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NZman
[B]Er Me point dude.



Hey Little Dude ,what you know about WW2 ,more likely nothing ,you know there was some shooting going on and some plane flying ,boats sinking and not more then that .
Read at least one book for God,s sake.You still young enough to educate yourslef ,never to late to learn reading.
And if comes to that Jedwabne problem ,before you open your mouth read more ,not only what some fricking TV stations say in 15 second of broadcast
Just to help you here are 2 links for the other side of the story and if your brain can digest that ,then hopefully you might start to understand more then just like some 10 years kid.
http://www.iyp.org/polish/history/je..._kresach_1.htm

http://www.iyp.org/polish/history/je..._kresach_2.htm

As you can see from this links ,things were little more complicated ,then you can compraheand ,
But would not be better for you concentrate on Balkans atrocitis then worry about WW2 or Polish -Ukrainian relations ,They will do good without your involment for sure.And no need for your so call protection ,nobody is asking you for it anyway.


>>You is gonna find that the Polaks is here to run down the Ukrianians & other Slavs ignorin'<<

Where you see that run down ,I do not see.



>>>the point you is makin' Maybes if yous is havin' a look around you is seein' this.<<<

We see more then that ,watch out preaty soon some of the same guys will pick on your country ,just give them the time ,they will.Hitler and Stalin preaty soon will dispiar from history books ,someone else will have to take blame.
Both of them becoming the good boys this modern days.

>>>Read the mud hut livin' Tartar's post. They finks that the Polaks is the most angelic dudes on earth & all other dudes is out to do 'em wrong.<<<

Do not wory about Tatar .Tatar is doing good ,busy making money ,and Tatars where doing nothing but slotering Polaks all the time and all the others around and look that nobady is even complaining .Can you see Tatar's power ,even last WW2 they were to last day with Hitler screwing Russian and Serbian partisans.Yaa for me Polaks were nothing but engelical dudes,if they were like us ,nobady will dear to open a mouth bad way about them today.They would be scare to hell to do that.

>>>They is well humpty with you Poms, 'Cos' you shoulda entered the war sooner.<<,

Life is to short to educate someone like you who never see a book in his lifetime.Prefer gambling in Monte Carlo .



>>I's waitin' for the Polak attack.<<
Attack whome ,you not the target ,you born loser ,there is no pleasure in pounding loser,you **** on yourself everytime you open your mouth.You need no help from me or anybody else ,you doing exelent on your own,kicking own ass with your half empty brain.
Do not expect too much

Love from Tatar who still lifes in Ziemlianka and sleep on horse manure and still in good shape.
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Old 13th July 2001, 09:07
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Nonson Sir,

If that was you ...

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