Jews in Ukraine

[AleXG]

I think that the topic "Jews in Ukraine" should be more or
less a discussion about the history of the Jews and its connection to the Ukrainian history. For example, in the topic about Bogdan Chmielnicki nobody mentioned that the war against Poland was accompanied by mass cleansings of the jewish (and polish) population on the Ukrainian territory. (I read that there were 700.000 victims, 250.000
Jews among them) On the other hand the Jewish culture, their way of living in Shtetls all over Ukraine in XV-XX century is a part of Ukrainian history and one
can't leave it aside.

[steve_vlasenko]

Hi AleXG

Andrew Gregorovich has indeed published and excellent and informative text on Ukrainian Jewish history. everything you'd wish to know will be referenced here.

Jewish-Ukrainian Bibliography
A Selected Annotated Bibliography of Resources in English by
Andrew Gregorovich.
It costs about $55.00

Do you have any specific questions on Jewish pogroms or Jewish resurgence. My friend Shevie is quite knowledgeable on Jewish history in this area, if you wish i'll get him to mail you.



Take care,

Vlas.

[Bartosz]

Originally posted by steve_vlasenko
Hi AleXG

Andrew Gregorovich has indeed published and excellent and informative text on Ukrainian Jewish history. everything you'd wish to know will be referenced here.

Jewish-Ukrainian Bibliography
A Selected Annotated Bibliography of Resources in English by
Andrew Gregorovich.
It costs about $55.00

Do you have any specific questions on Jewish pogroms or Jewish resurgence. My friend Shevie is quite knowledgeable on Jewish history in this area, if you wish i'll get him to mail you.



Take care,

Vlas.

From this position you will learn that all massacres of Jews allegedly commited by followers of Chmielnicki were inspired by KGB and performed by Poles. Vlas will also recommand you something confirming that in Dachau Germans founded healt resort, where Jews and Poles were dying just to spite them. Probably written by the same author.

Take cure,Vlas.

[Irena]

AleXG,
I want only to say that NOW Jews feel theirself rather comfortably in Ukraine. I think more comfortable then the Ukrainians themself. Do you know that there are special rooms for Jews in hospitals in Ukraine?
Can you imagine such rooms in others countries?
Now about history. Yes, there were cleansings of the jewish (and polish) population on the Ukrainian territory. May be.
But there were a war. And this war was on TERRITORY OF UKRAINE. Take note thar the war (of that time) was waging almost on territory of Ukraine and now you blame Ukrainians in actions wich they did on their territory.
Do you consider your reasoning as logical?

[steve_vlasenko]

Irena
There's nothing logical about bartosz's assertions. Blinded by hate of Ukrainians all postings are of the same nature as this.
Arguing is futile with bartosz, as evidenced here, he has stock replies that are posted regardless of prior posting.
When faced with a posting from a Polish Jew the response is as vacuous as this.

Hi AleXG.

The book is a reference text of compiled information in conjunction with different authors, many of whom are Jewish. I'm afraid any debate containing posting from bartosz will be tainted by the ridiculous.
Baba' Yar is also an important text to read if you can find a copy. It doesn't shirk from telling the truth about what occurred at this place.

Take care

Vlas.

[AleXG]

Hello,

Bartosz&Steve, thank you for your advice. I think I'll try to find out more about this book. For I live in Germany, I hope that there is a German translation of it

To Irena: "I want only to say that NOW Jews feel theirself rather comfortably in Ukraine. I think more comfortable then the Ukrainians themself" Why?
In Europe there are some Jewish organisations (Sokhnut, Jewish Agency and so on), they try to help the Jewish people who are still living in the diaspora in order to keep the traditions alive. Of course they also help financially.

A propos, there was not any territory of Ukraine with determined borders in XVII century. Today this territory belongs to the Ukrainian state.
"Ukrainians did it on their territory". Yes but the Germans did it on their territory too (Dachau). The Serbs did it on their territory, Robespierre also did it on his own French territory against his native, French people.

Is it your logical consequence?

[Bartosz]

Originally posted by steve_vlasenko
Irena
There's nothing logical about bartosz's assertions. Blinded by hate of Ukrainians all postings are of the same nature as this.
Arguing is futile with bartosz, as evidenced here, he has stock replies that are posted regardless of prior posting.
When faced with a posting from a Polish Jew the response is as vacuous as this.

Hi AleXG.

The book is a reference text of compiled information in conjunction with different authors, many of whom are Jewish. I'm afraid any debate containing posting from bartosz will be tainted by the ridiculous.
Baba' Yar is also an important text to read if you can find a copy. It doesn't shirk from telling the truth about what occurred at this place.

Take care

Vlas.

Stiopa, I feel seriousely dissapointed. I expected more than allegations concerning my ethnic complexity, that in fact is much more complicated. But keep trying, that's not maybe professional, but certainly in some virign way amusing.

I'm only trying to express the deep conclusions resulting from all your posts: if so many Ukrainian Jews and Poles evaporated during the WW2, and all Ukrainian nationalists concentrated on transformation of their organizations into the another branch of the Salvation Army, so the only logic conclusion is that Jews and Poles exterminated one to each other, inspired of course by evil idea of discreditation of Ukrainian nationalists.

Nasty Jews and nasty Poles.

Take cure, Vlas.