Nebyliv, first immigrants to Canada update

[Cokie2]

Update to my posting of April 2 2004 regarding the first Ukrainian immigrants to Canada, Ivan Pylypiw and Wasyl Eleniak from Nebyliv. I have recently learned that both these men had a grandmother with the surname Tychkowsky (or Tichkowski, Tyczkowski etc.) This was my grandmother's surname and she also was from Nebyliv. She immigrated to Canada in 1913. Recently my brother visited this village and other areas of Ukraine. There is a monument in Nebyliv to these men. A co-worker of mine from Poland told me that there is a word "Tychka" in Polish or Ukrainian that means "stick", roughly. She thought it might be the meaning to the Tychkowsky surname.
In 1940 the gov't of Canada required everyone over the age of 16 to submit a lot of personal inf. including their parents names, military service etc. It was called the National Registration File of 1940 and inf. can be obtained from Statistics Canada, found under the Canadian Gov't website. There is a charge for the search. I have just sent a request for any inf. my grandparents may have submitted so hopefully I will soon have some more inf. on their parents names.
My previous posting was under the username Cokie but since I changed my email address I am now Cokie2.

[Hannia]

A co-worker of mine from Poland told me that there is a word "Tychka" in Polish or Ukrainian that means "stick", roughly. She thought it might be the meaning to the Tychkowsky surname.

Tychka is a Ukrainian word for pole or stick, that is used as a support.

[Cokie2]

Thank you Hannia. I always have been curious about suffixes on Ukrainian surnames. My surname is Sauchyn, and there's a variant Sawchuk, obviously from the same root word. I believe Sauchyn is derived from a Greek saint, St. Sabbas which gave rise to Sawa as a name in many Slavic languages and surnames such as Sawic, Sawicki etc, and possibly mine as well. So are the yn and uk suffixes merely regional variants? And many others found in Ukrainian surnames such as -sky,
-enko, -chuk etc. Are they also regional dialects or variants or might they indicate ancestry from the many ethnic influences Ukrainians might descend from(eg. any neighboring Slavic nations such as Polish, Russian, Romanian, or even Turk, or Mongolian etc.) I did know a Ukrainian who said his surname was of Turkish derivation for example.
So then would it be conceivable that Tychkowsky is derived from the word meaning a stick used as a support? This is what my polish co-worker also said - that it was referring to a stick used in gardening to support vines.

[Hannia]

Ukraine's geographical location between Europe and Asia meant that much of its early language and culture was a synthesis of Eastern and Western influences.

You may find this link helpful.
Slavic-Rusyn Items
http://userweb.ccomm.com/sfpayer/DB/...yn%20Items.htm

PS>Bare in mind that Rusyn above is pronounced Ruthene.

[Serhii]

The word Sauchyn ( Savchyn ) is a possesive form of Savka as well. Savka by itself ia a traditional Ukainian form of Sawwa.
Question : Chyj ce kozhukh ? Answer: Savchyn.

We have many Turkic ( not Turkish )words and surnames based on them. In the 9th century many such tribes lived in our stepps ( Polovci, Pechenigy, Chorni Klobuky , etc) . For example : Kabak - surnames Kabachenko, etc Kazan - Kazanec',etc and even Kozak - Kozachenko....

[Cokie2]

Thank you Serhii. I know because Ukraine is geographically situated at a crossroads in Eastern Europe it has come under many influences in it's history. However I am not fluent in Ukrainian, so can you translate the question in your post? Thanks.

[Serhii]

I just wanted to say that it was impossible to borrow any Turkish ( from Turkey ) surnames ,etc. They came to borders of Europe much later and immediately became our enemies.

Your surname is very typical for West Ukraine. In Central Ukraine it would be Savchenko.
Kozhukh is a traditional Ukrainian warm coat for winter (just what I need right now - it is very cold here these days

Pryvit z Ukrajiny,

Serhii.