onculenco/bejenar chernatvitsi bukovina

[bevdavis]

LOOKING FOR FAMILY IN THE CHERNAVITS AREA. NAMES ONCULENKO/ONCIUL/ OR AS I WAS BROUGHT UP TO SPELL IT ONTSCHULENKO ALSO THE NAMES OF PONTO, CZABATAR, AND BEJENAR.
FATHER JON LIVED SOUTH OF THE RIVER PRUT WITH HIS FATHER ARTEMI ONCULENKO/ONCIUL AND MOTHER PAULINA (BEJENAR)SIBLINGS VASYL, SEVETA, MARIA, EUGINI AND HELENA.
FROM A POSSIBLE FAMILY MEMBER IN CANADA THE NAMES OF GUST CZOBATAR AND FRANCES ONZULANKO , PLUS JON PONTO AND ALEXANDRIA BEJENAR. APPARENTLY ALEXANDRIA BEJENARS FATHER WAS MAYOR OF CUCIURUL-MARE. ALSO FRANCES ONZULANKP LINEAGE REVEALS A MARGARET LESOWICK (HUSBAND PAUL) HER FATHER WAS AN ONZULANKO/ONCULENKO HE HAD BROTHERS NICK,AND ART PLUS A SISTER KATE ALL THESE PERSONS CAME FROM THE CHERNAVITSI AREA
I HOPE THERE IS SOMEONE OUT THERE WHO CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON ANY OF THE NAMES. AND THANKS IN ANTICIPATION

[Hannia]

Your post is difficult to read!!! Simplify your inquiry. Start with dropping the ALL CAPS. Some of these surnames don't even strike me as RUSYN/Ruthenian/Ukrainian in origin. (Surnames w/ENKO suffix generally originate from what is Eastern Ukraine today>in your ancestors' time frame - the Old Russian Empire/Czarist Russia.)

Currently there are about a million people living in the mostly non-digitized Chernivtsi Oblast/Region, Ukraine>formerly Bukovina, Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Information about where your family came from, will be found in documents and sources created after immigrating to Canada. Immigration, Census, Homesteading & Local Vital Records (i.e. Obits) might provide you with place of origin. There are no short cuts.

Start w/these links -

NA - Genealogy Research
http://www.archives.ca/02/020202_e.html

Ukrainian Community and Family Histories
http://www.geocities.com/ukrainianfamilies/

PS>Village, Cuciurul-mare/VELIKY KUCHURIV (coordinates 48.11-25.53) is in the Storozitzkij Raion/District of Chernivtska Oblast/Region.

[bevdavis]

sorry hannia... but thanks for the information you gave me... I have passed it on to my Canadian family .... I have come across a site with the listings of small business's in 1913 -1914 in the chernivitsi area there was an Eduard Bezener..... could it be what we call bejenar? according to the listings he was a schuster? in the town of Hadikfalva? ....
once again thank you for you help...

[Hannia]

A schuster is a shoemaker.

Hadikfalva>formerly in Bukowina (Little Austria)>today
Dornesti>Suceava County>Romania. At turn of century Hadikfalva had a very large Hungarian Jewish population.
Coordinates 47╟52' / 26 01'.

Hadikfalva & surrounding area was also known as Transylvania. The real Count Dracula had his castle not very far away.


Will take a closer look at surnames a little later.


[Edited by Hannia on 27th April 2002 at 04:45]

[Hannia]

Ontschulenko from Chernivtsi Region> Halychyna Division?> Austria> POW> DP/Displaced Person> Canadian Immigrant???

from turn of century-

Ponto , (Russian) German surname
Czabatar, (Russian) surname found due east of Vinnika
Bejenar/BEJNAR , (Russian) Polish surname

PS> What you need is to ascertain exact place of birth. Have you requested a copy of immigration papers from Canadian Archives or written to Ukrainian orgs like Ukrainian Canadian Committee or UCCLA and asked if they would have archives info re DP's?

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NA - Genealogy Research
http://www.archives.ca/02/020202_e.html

The Peopling of Canada: 1946 - 1976
http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_histo.../chapter1.html

Lubomyr Y. Luciuk: Searching For Place - Ukrainian Displaced Persons, Canada, and the Migration of Memory
http://www.infoukes.com/bookstore/lu...for_place.html

The Ukrainian Community in Toronto
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/magic/mt54.html

UCCLA : MAIN PAGE :
http://www.uccla.ca/Ontherecord/otr_01.htm

Maybe there is someone here that might know where you can write for info re father's birth place.
1st-Division of the UNA: Bibliography
http://www.infoukes.com/galiciadivision/bibliography/

[bevdavis]

hi hannia..more information of my fathers birth place .it was the town of kuchuriv velykyi....cuciurul-mare. and his name as he remembers it was spelled oncuilenco/onculienco. his memory is not as good as it was lol ...
his family even when they married lived in the town, he was 4th in a family of 6 children. his sister eugine married a dimitri who was a police detective he and his wife were killed in their beds by communists but their son and grandmother survived. names unknown
another dimitri this time fathers mothers brother name of Bezner/bejenar was killed while serving in the german army in yougoslavia. father was also in the german army the infantry serving in yougoslavia also. vasyl fathers older brother was in the roumanian army. (born 1918-1919)
father recalled the existance of a jewish pub/tavern owner and a jewish flour mill owner in the town.
also he told me of the shoe maker his mother took the family for shoes a brockdiski/brodiski his shop was on the outskirts of the town.

is there any records i could look at to confirm any of this new information hannia?

thank you for all your help hannia you are a fount of information......
regards bev

[Hannia]

Most of the family in military, who were killed during WW2, would be listed in Chernivtsi obits for 1939-1945. Available thru LDS/Mormon Genealogy Library for viewing.

The Gazeteer would also be helpful in locating records. My guess is that you will have to do archival inquiry @oblast archives.

Place details ('Ukraine, Chernivtsi')
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Libr...t_disp=Ukraine,_Chernivtsi&columns=*,180,0

How to locate nearest family center where films can be ordered and viewed.
FamilySearch - Family History Library Catalog
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Libr...meset_fhlc.asp
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If Father is interested in making contact w/any surviving family in Chernivtsi, you might consider writing the village mayor. This is not a very large village.

Address:

Chernivtska Oblast
Storozitzkij Raion
selo Veliky Kuchuriv
Holova Sela
UA 59052

Using Ukrainian for correspondence w/village mayor would be ideal, however English or German will work as well. Make letter very simple. Make sure to include 2 IRC's (Intl Response Coupons) w/your inquiry. Given the present economy in Ukraine, these will expedite response. In turn the mayor or surviving relative can exchange these at their local post ofc for stamps. You can purchase IRC's at your local post ofc @nominal cost.
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Unfortunately you are searching what is still today a non-digitized world and information online is very limited.

Links of interest:

Ukraine GenWeb - Chernivetska Oblast
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukrwgw/cherni/index.html

Vitayemo -- Ukraine GenWeb
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukrwgw/index2.htm

Contact List of Bukovina Genealogists
http://members.aol.com/LJensen/buko-cl.html

This link has Jewish orientation, with lots of general useful info.
Ukraine
http://jewishwebindex.com/ukraine.htm

Other Web Sites related to Bukovina
http://members.aol.com/LJensen/bukolink.html

Both addresses and some info needs updating.
MAIN UKRAINIAN ARCHIVES' ADDRESSES
http://www.lemko.org/genealogy/oblasts.html

Although this link has a German orientation, you will find some very useful info here.
Bukovina Society of the Americas - Mirror of HOMEPAGE
http://feefhs.org/bukovina/bukovina.html