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Adeling 29th March 2010 10:34

Ruthenian/Ukrainian nobility specialist
 
Hello Everyone :)

I search for specialist on the issue of native ruthenian (ukrainian) nobility. In Poland there are only two (recommended and trustworthy) historians being advanced on these matters - Mr Konrad Rzemieniecki and Mr Oleg Rosowiecki who is actually Ukrainian but working also for polish institutions. Unfortunately - both of them seem to be unavailable with no trace when they could be possibly back. That is why I turned to the source - to Ukraine and Ukrainian forum members who maybe can recommend some known ukrianian researcher of the matters of native ukrainian, greek-catholic or/and orthodox nobility, especially from podole, kyev and volhynia regions. Thank You for you interests and hope to have some response soon.

Best regards
MK Herman

Hannia 29th March 2010 15:54

MK,

I am not quite clear why you are making such an investment for your research. Nobility researchers come at a high rate. The research is complex and they charge accordingly. Have you already tracked your immediate line to the 17th century, in which time frame any viable nobility connection might be made?

Adeling 30th March 2010 13:10

Hello Hannia,

Nice to hear from You. I would like to ask someone who is a specialsiist on the matters I mentioned in my first post because there are some hypothesis about my family's origin. Prof. Andrzej Bajor qualified my family as well as 8 others to be direct descendants of Dobrynya - kievian voivod and burggraf/posadnik of the Great Novgorod (Dobrynya Nikitich). his elaboration is part of Rurikid Project. Unfortunetly Hannia there is little propability to trace back my ancestry by metric data :( reason is simple - most of documents are irreversibly destroyed. plus - I got some informations from within my family about our nobleness.

You know certainly that exploring nobility's past is more complexed not basing only on metrics but reaches further outside documentary. This is - in my position - only mean to improve my knowledge about my ancestry :)

I hope that I presented my point of view as clear as I could :)

Bst rgds
MKHERMAN

Hannia 30th March 2010 20:17

MK,

I could only assume that you are interested in making a connection between your immediate family and the Polish/Rusyn/Russian nobility.

Just because the family carries the surname, does not automatically preclude a direct bloodline. The Herman clan was/is a prolific one, so it only stands to reason that most Herman's obtained the surname as serfs.

Your research so far is based on Polish and Lithuanian Heraldry. Many scholars dispute the validity of these records. In the 18th century both the Polish and Russian nobility had to provide proof to their monarchy and records were indeed revised. Up to that time nobility-genealogy-as- documentation was pretty much non-existent. Right of Nobility had been based on oral history in both the Czarist Empire and in the Kingdom of Poland. I should also include the Lithuanian Empire.

Ruryk genealogy was also oral. There were no specific documents to be destroyed. Ruryk references were made within historical content and those records still exist.

When the Kingdom of Poland was partitioned, the revised (proven) Heraldry Records were sent to St. Petersburg. All revised Russian (including Rusyn references from Southern Russia) nobility documentation was also sent to St. Petersburg. The Russian records include the Novograd nobility references, based on merchant records from Middle Ages.

There are still some records in Kyiv and Chernihiv Archives, but in order to get a more accurate read, you should try locating a researcher, familiar w/the Archives of the St. Petersburg Bureau of Heraldry.

I know of no one I can personally recommend, but you should consider posting your request on some of the Russian Nobility sites. You should obtain better results there.

zunr1918 1st April 2010 09:08

Get in touch with them
 
torush | ruthenian nobility association | ruthenian szlachta

SurnameIndex 2nd April 2010 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adeling (Post 102241)
Hello Hannia,
I would like to ask someone who is a specialsiist on the matters I mentioned in my first post because there are some hypothesis about my family's origin. Prof. Andrzej Bajor qualified my family as well as 8 others to be direct descendants of Dobrynya - kievian voivod and burggraf/posadnik of the Great Novgorod (Dobrynya Nikitich). his elaboration is part of Rurikid Project.
Bst rgds
MKHERMAN

I do hope that you (and Professor) meant Dobrynya (son of Mstislav) and not Dobrynya Nikitich.

Here's a list of Volyn nobility: List of Volyn province Noblemen, 1906

Lytsar 3rd April 2010 04:20

Re: Ruthenian/Ukrainian nobility specialist & Russian nobility sites

Try

Генеалогический форум ВГД

There are many threads on Ruthenian nobility from all parts of Ukraine and surrounding lands


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