Question for Hannia

[hsaw]

I am doing some research on my family. I hope you don't mind if I use the Polish spellings. I am researching SAWICKI and BIALKOWSKI in village of KRZYWCZE GORNE. Also the names SIKORSKI and GORSKI / GURSKI in the village of GERMAKOWKA. Both villages are in the KRZYWCZE(Borszczow) parrish. Brian Lenius's book shows it is part the LWOW archdiocesis. I have all the latests films ordered from LDS that cover the period 1817 to 1889. I have done research on the earlier films from LDS and the new ones will help fill in the information I am missing.

I am trying to expand my research area. I would like to go back before 1817 and expand on what I know. Earlier I was corresponding with a lady in Canada who stated she had found some of her family wedding bans in the CZERNOWITZ (Bukowina) records. Could this be possible? Why would CZERNOWITZ have records for the KRZYWCZE parrish. Are CZERNOWITZ and CZARNOKOZINCE the same village?
Looking back at an old map from 1770 I see the that CZARNOKOZINCE was shown as either the "seat of the archdiaconate" or "diocesan see". I can not tell from the legend. Also I noticed that KAMIENIEC PODOL was shown as the "seat of officialate" and possibly the "diocesan see". I do not understand what these seats mean. Could there possible be earler records for my parrish at these locations?

Finally, will earlier LWOW archdiocesis records have information on my parrish prior to 1817? Any suggestion on how to find the information in the records? Thank you. Harry

[Hannia]

Hello Harry.

Interesting question.
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It could be. There was a period of time when Bukovyna and Galicia were separate entities. At that time, the very southern part of the Ternopil region was technically part of Northern Bukovyna. At the outcome of the Russian-Turkish war of 1768-1774 Bukovina became a part of Austria. In 1796. Czernivtsi (formerly Czernowitz) became the center of a district in the Duchy of Galicia, in 1849 it became the capital of the Duchy of Bukovina. Best to check older geopolitical maps for boundary lines.

Pastors started to keep metrykal registers in a haphazard fashion in the late 1500's, improving record keeping in the late 1600's. The earlier records were kept for the more prominant citizenry. Even with the Austrian mandate in 1784, whereby the Catholic Church was appointed to keep vital records for all citizenry, including for Protestants and Jews, this uniformed record keeping did not begin at the same time all over the empire.

Are CZERNOWITZ and CZARNOKOZINCE the same village?

They are distinctly different places.

There was/is a Czarnokozince in Ternopil and another in Czernivtsi, or at least I thought I saw one.**** I think the Czarnokozince you are referring to is appx five miles NW of Germakivka in Ternopil region.

I assume that your direction should be Lviv, but I am not sure. Look at a geopolitical map for the time frame. If your village was included in Northern Bukovina, contact Chernivtsi archives and ask.

***I was wrong. There is only the one in Ternopil region.

PS> Harry has asked an excellent question. If anyone here has something to add, please feel free to post. As you can see Harry and I are a bit stymied.

[hsaw]

I would like to send you the map I was referring to. I can scan it. What email address do I send it to?

[Hannia]

mitehelp@aol.com