Your thoughts on this baptismal record

[jakimicha]

This is my great grandfather's baptism record. I don't know why someone wrote "michael" on it- it is Nicholi / Mykolaj.

I know where this village is. Can you make out what is on line 1? I saw the RZYM Kat at the top of the page years ago and always ran with the idea that this was a roman catholic church but line 1 is making me wonder. I have 2 or 3 more baptism extractions from the same priest for Mykolaj's siblings, I can post those too if it would help decipher his pen.

Thanks!

Joe Yakimicki

[jakimicha]

Here's one of Mykolaj's brothers (the only sibling that didn't make it to the USA, actually). Does it say Greek Katholic? This is truly blowing my mind that I overlooked this for years. The story was always that they were roman catholic, which I am now wondering if that was based on the fact that this document was obtained via a roman catholic church- which would only make sense because the greek catholic church was abandoned and used as a graffiti canvas and fertilizer storage in the years after operation wisla or vistula sent the ukrainians to the north.http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/...ef1bc3e0_b.jpg

[Hannia]

Joe,

The Baptismal Certificate does indicate that Grandfather Mykola was Greek Catholic.

Since immigrants frequently took spouses from their own regions or districts, we can presume w/caution that my second guess, that Ewa (probably christianed Evdokia?? ) Kopka was from Drohojiv > Przemysl, may be correct. Stare Siolo and Drohojow are appx 18 miles apart.

The more documents you dig up, the clearer the answers become.

Re Andrij's metryka, it does state over religion gr cat right on top. Sometimes the penmanship can throw you off track.

The Polish clergy still works hard at making the Ukrainian minority in Poland Roman Catholic.

[jakimicha]

1st, I am dumbfounded that Greek Catholic is denoted plain as day on all of the baptismal records but the relative that I got them from told me that they were from a roman catholic church- I saw the stamp from the church in the upper corner and went with it. This may allow me to move ahead a bit on this side of the family (although I planned on trying to find the greek catholic records anyway since the family always said they were ukrainian and I just found some relatives that were deported in 47- it only made sense that they would've been greek catholic at some point right?


Okay, onto Ewa. There will very likely never be any more documents unless some exist in her birth village, but I will hunt them down. In the interim lets assume that there are no documents. I think I see how Drohojiv could sound similar to Drobobilile. I also think Dobrobile is a likely candidate from sound alone. On google maps I see Przemysl but no Drohojiv. Is Drobojiv near Przemysl or another name for it? There is Dobromyl only 20km south of Przemysl just a mile or so into ukraine. Sorry for my ignorance on this- my geography of the area and various place names isn't the best.

On a related note, someone on this or some other board told me that they thought my surname Jakimicha means that the family was originally from a town "Jakimiczyce" or similar that is 20 or 30 kilometers from any of the villages in question and also close to a town called Drohobych (in the area of Komarno Ukraine). This was based on a book about Polish border surnames and did not list my name specifically, only a variant.

[Hannia]

Dobromyl was a county seat. and Ewa was more likely a peasant girl. Besides, DO-BRO-MIL would have been much easier for Ewa'a nephew to transliterate. DRO-HO-YOW on the other hand, could have been problematic for him.

Joe, until you document her, keep in mind anything could be.

My suggestion is that you follow the individual family paper trail. For the time being, don't waste your time w/Jakimiczynce. If down the road you come across an ancestor from Jakimyczyce, only then should you start looking at it.

[Hannia]

GC Records are in Przemysl State Archives. I don't think those are available thru LDS.

State Archive in Przemyе⌡l
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Got following from a list of villages in Poland from which Ukrainians were resettled during Akcia Visla.

Drohojow (ДРОГОЇВ in Ukr) > Przemysl powiat/county

State Archives in Poland: Data bases of State Archives

Stare Siolo > Lubaczow powiat/county

[Hannia]

Stare Siolo > Lubaczow powiat/county

Some old records for Stare Siolo*** Click MORE for details.
State Archives in Poland: Data bases of State Archives


***Joe, Zlatica from Genforum Ukraine was kind enough to point these out to me. She dropped me a note w/following info:

OLESZYCE, Poland
Oleszyce
siedziba gminy
3089 osób (population today)
woj. podkarpackie
pow. lubaczowski
gmina Oleszyce
kod: 37-630
Stare Sielo is South-West of Oleszyce.
what church records of Oleszyce in Poland's archive:
State Archives in Poland: Data bases of State Archives