Family search Pawlik, Pacocha, Sobolak

[mjmikel]

I am searching for any information on my Pawlik family from Nyrkow, Poland now Ukraine, Pacocha family from Dembica/Debicy, Brzeznica, Galicia Poland, and Sobolak family from Raczkowa, Sanok Poland

Please write to me if you any any information on these family members.

Thank you kindly,
Marilyn Kapke Mikel
mmikel@embarqmail.com

[Hannia]

I was able to get in touch w/one of our members, Vasyl, who was born in Nyrkiv and still has family there.

He will be replying to your post shortly.

[Nyrkiv]

We have only one family Pawlyuk in Nyrkiv, Anastasia came from Poland during opeartion Wisla, when all ukrainians (Lemko, Rusyn) were forsed to move to Ukraine and married Vasyl Pawlyuk who was born in nyrkiv, they had 3 sons, older one is pasted away, then Bogdan was born in 1958 and Mykhaylo was born in 1962. Mykhaylo still lives with his mother Anastasia in Nyrkiv. Bogdan lives 40 miles away. The best way to contact them - send a letter:

Mykhaylo Vasylyovych Pawlyuk
Nyrkiv
Zalischyky District
Ternopil Region 48633

or In Ukrainian:

Павлюк Михайлу Васильовичу
с.Нирків
Заліщицького району
Тернорільської області 48633
UKRAINE


If you want I can try to ask if he has mobile phone, let me know

Vasyl

stakhiv@yahoo.com

[mjmikel]

Dear Vasyl,

Thank you grately for your help. I will try and write to Mykhaylo Vasylyovych Pawlyuk, and send to the address you have given me. I will see if my friend Agnieszka can help me to compose something in Ukrainian writing. Is this the way I should write it, or can it be written in Polish or English?

Do you live there in Nrykow / Nyrkiv? Can you tell me if someone living there in around 1890 and the early 1900's would be buried there in the village cemetery? Would this still be in existance? My Pawlik family were Roman Catholic. I heard there was a Catholic cemetery on a hillside, near the remains of the Czerwonogrod Castle. Was this the same cemetery or another? I would be interested in having a photo of the cemetery where my family was buried, and also, wondered if there would be any Pawlik graves still there? Also, would there still be a Roman Catholic Church in existance for this area that would also date back then? I would love to see a photo of this church, since it would probably be the church that my family worshiped in, were christened in and married in.

I truly am grateful to you for your time, your response and your help.

Sincerely,
Marilyn Mikel
mmikel@embarqmail.com

[Hannia]

mj,

Sometimes, even I, forget to start with basics.

Your Grandmother was not born in Poland. Her ethnicity was Polish, but she was an Austrian citizen, born in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Poland did not exist when she was born.
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From late 18th century to 1919 wies/village Nyrkow was predominantly a Ruthenian/Ukrainian village with its own Greek Catholic Church. The filial Roman Catholic Church was in Czerwonogrod and the filial Jewish Kahal was in Uszieczko. Zaleszczyki was the POWIAT (administrative district/county) and Tluste was the GMINA (judicial-tax district) > Tarnipolskie wojiwodstwo/region > Galicia/Halyczyna Province,administered by ethnic Poles for the AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE.

From 1919-1938 , during the Interwar Period, this region came under the domain of Reconstituted Poland. Technically Poland had not existed as a geopolitical entity for the previous 125 yr or so.

With exception of Halyczyna transliteration, all previous place names are in Polish.

Post WW2 this region became a part of the SSR Ukraine, under Soviet domain until 1991, when Ukraine became independent.
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Above is just a synopsis of the overall geopolitical history in this immediate area. There some additional detail like the two attempts of the Ukrainians establishing a Ukrainian Republic/Free Ukraine, but these are only for a historical moment. The Soviets captured Zalishczyki in 9/1939. In the middle of 1941 the Soviets retreat against the wave of Nazi Germans. Stalin's Scorched Earth Policy left this region in shambles. In 9/1941 the Hungarians (German allies) are left in control. Russians come back in 8/1943.
The Germans sorties bombed the area relentlessly and in 3/1944 the Russians declared that they have LIBERATED Zalishczyki.

It was all very grim and horrific and all the Zalishczyki residents suffered. It didn't much matter who they were.
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I checked the Zalishchyki district for any surviving Pavlyk (not Pavliuk) and found several, but none in Nyrkiv.
They were found in Koshylivtsi, Popivtsi, Podillia, Buryakivka and Slobidka, all not far from Nyrkiv. Podillia is very close. It abuts Nyrkiv.

***** Павлик Наталія Степанівна Кошилівці,
***** Павлик Богдан Васильович Попівці,
***** Павлик Василь Васильович Кошилівці,
***** Павлик І С Попівці,
***** Павлик І В Поділля,
***** Павлик Василь Іванович Буряківка,
***** Павлик Ганна Іванівна Слобідка,
***** Павлик Борис Миколайович Слобідка,

There is also a Pavlyk Family in Rozhanka as well.
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There are several Czerwonohrod./Chervonohrad in Western Ukraine. I checked the Lubaczow Records, but thse seem to be from the Czerwonohrod in Lviv region.

BTW, I think you need to have someone check out the cemetary in what was Chervonohrad, because that is where the RC Church was located. I can only imagine the condition of the place.

I see what the problem is here. Chervonohrad is no longer, but the records have to be somewhere. I have checked LDS and see nothing . I think they may still be in the Ternopil Archives??? A lot of Zalishczyki has not been filmed. With the kind of devastation that took place here during WW2, I can only hope that the records are indeed in Ternopil and not destroyed. I saw some very old GC Records that have been filmed, but not the RC Records.

mj, I think you will need to hire someone local, comfortable w/Archives, to see if those records are in Ternopil. With the rates that the Archives are charging, you will be better off and will get a more accurate assessment of the situation. You may very well need someone like IreneLviv to see where those records might be. Her rates are very fair and she is very good.

Have you already made an inquiry at the Polish Archives in Warsaw? They have loads of RC Records from Ukraine.

[mjmikel]

Thank you for all the specific details about the history of Nyrkow and the surrounding area. I am not sure how the correct spelling is of Pawlik now, but thought maybe it was Pawlyk. I have found only one LDS record for Nyrkow (film # 2125366 Roman Catholic Church. Czerwonogród Tłuste). On this record, I have found the entry for my grandmothers birth, also, her half sister Felisa Pawlik's birth, and much more Pawlik family birth information, prior to 1899. I have not been able to find another film that contained any other Pawlik information.

I am interested in learning any stories about this convent there overlooking Nyrkow, part of Czerwonogrod. I am also interested as you know about seeing a photo of at least what would be left of the cemetery, just having guessed if someone was Roman Catholic, living in Nyrkow, where they might be buried when they died from 1890 until at least 1910.

I have written to several archives in Poland, and thus far, no records have been found. I have since writen to archives in Ukraine, back in June, and I have not heard anything yet. Thank you for the posing the option of hiring someone to search records for me. This is something I will consider.

I appreciate all information and help. Thank you kindly!
Marilyn