Martiuska/ Kotuba/ Lutak

[Hannia]

I finally figured out what your ancestral village Vegmartonka is. Don't write anything yet !!!

FYI there are 47 Kotubej and 26 Lutak still living in your ancestral village.

This is the entrance to your village cluster.

http://www.karpataljakepek.net/album...ij-Potik_8.jpg

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Vegmartonka, the name that shows up in immigration records, was the official Hungarian
name for this hamlet in the Ilosvai jaras/district, in the Bereg Megyve/Berehove County, when
this region was part of the Hungarian Kingdom> Austro-Hungarian Empire. KRAYNIA MARTYNKA
was the Rusyn name for Vegmartonka. Today it is called Крайня Мартинка (Kraynia Martinka means
EXTREME MARTINKA) in Ukrainian. It is still hamlet size today, w/a population of appx 582 souls.
Selo/village Kraynia Martinka is part of the Chornij Potik (Black Stream) cluster. It is located in the
Irshava raion/district of Zakarpatska Ukraine. From the little I could find out, it has been around
since the 13th century. From ancient times the villagers in this immediate area were never SERFS.
They were free men and to this day take great pride in their love of freedom.

Very old map of Bereg Megyve. Krajna Martonka is due East of Munkacs.
Click to enlarge. Find top of letter S in Munkacs and move cursor horizontally until u get to KM.
Atlas plate from maproom.org

The Rusyn in this immediate area are predominantly Christian Orthodox.
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Address to Village Administrator in Chornij Potik.

Чорнопотоківська сільська Рада
село Чорний Потік, 153
Іршавський район
Закарпатська область 90110
Україна / Ukraine
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Each search has different elements. In your case there are some 70+ clansmen still
living in the ancestral village. Without specific detail, like names of siblings, it may be
difficult to figure out, who is family and who is not. Consider developing a family
tree, before making direct contact. You can make an inquiry at the Uzhorod State
Archives. It is actually cheaper to have a local do the research for you. One of our
members lives in a suburb of Uzhorod and has been successful in locating
data for our membership. His rates are reasonable and references are excellent.
If you like, after performing archival inquiry, he can also travel to your ancestral
village and make some personal inquiries re any surviving family still residing in the village.
He can interview family and take pix for you.

Several of our members have saved expense by sharing cost with other family members.
Others have forgone giving Christmas presents and instead have made gifts of their
family tree, the gift of knowledge and heritage.

I also encourage you to travel to Ukraine. I personally love the Karpathian Mtns.

You'll hear Karpathian birds singing and drink pure mountain spring water. And
you must take a ride on an old fashioned wagon from another time, when
there was a minimum of civilization and lots of one to one communication.

[MaryLutak]

Hannia; I will research the Croatian origins of Kotubej. A second cousin of mine told me that we are decendents of
Count Viktor Pavlovich Kochubey, but I don't know if I believe him since so many things other members in my family have
not been true. I believe I read that Count Kochubey was of Cossack and Tatar heritage.
I would really like to learn more about my grandmother's father and or mother. My aunt told me that grandmother's father was some figure in the Uniate church and wore a robe, but was not a priest. I know nothing about her mother except that she was killed. Could you tell me how to start searching for information about my grandfather, Charley Lutak?
My grandparents actually built a church and I remember there being a sign on it with the name Uniate on it.
My dad was the youngest of their 15 children-they rearely talked about their past with him. Now, my dad is gone from pancreatic cancer. Eight of his siblings also died from Pancreatic cancer.
Thank you again for all that you've done for me.
Bless You,
Mary

[MaryLutak]

Hannia; I posted the last message before I realized you had sent me more information.
I am almost Speechless and Thrilled beyond belief. I am so excited, and I will travel there.
There picture you sent to me looks very much like the small town north east of Pittsburgh where I grew up.
My grandparents bought a lot of land around their house and gave land out as wedding gifts to their children.
We all lived on the same road within walking distance of each other. I just wish my dad was still alive because I'd take him with me. He was so close to his parents, especially his mother.
I can only imagine how clean and beautiful the Karpathian Mountain area must be.
I will dream of the Ukraine until I get there. My husband gets home tomorrow from a business trip and I can't wait to talk to him.
Yes, I would so much appreciate the services of your friend. I need to know how to pay him and when he will be available.
If you can arrange this for me, I will be so appreciative even more than I am already.
I would certainly like to send you a wonderful gift as well.
I never ever thought finding out so much was possible. I will not get any sleep tonight because I'm too excited.
My email is : Lutak@aol.com
My full name is: Mary Edwards
Address: 1082 Lake Washington Drive
Lawrenceville GA 30043
Telephone: (770) 962-2283 Thank You, Thank You, Thank You Hannia!

[bm-21Lemko]

Hello Mary Lutak. My ancestors are Rusyn as well. Many emmigrated from their land from 1880 -1914 to Pennsylvania to work in the coal mines or steel mills.

Try to find lds records of military service from their nearest duty station such as lisko, jaroslav, or stanslau. Most had to serve 3 years before they could leave the country.

[Hannia]

Mary,

I have meant to post this link for a while. Sorry for the delay.

The History Section of link below is especially interesting !!!!
Westportal no longer exists, so I resurrected Zakarpathian link thru Wayback Machine***. Download could be a little slow.
Transkarpatien (English version)

***Remember we spoke about lost links? The Wayback Machine allows users to see archived versions of web pages of the past.
This service can be used to see what previous versions of websites used to look like, to grab original source code from websites
that may no longer be directly available, or to visit websites that no longer even exist. Not all websites are available.

All you need is the old URL/ Internet address.
Internet Archive: Wayback Machine

[Max_the_Highlander]

Mary, it seems we have another technical error. I've sent you my ideas but this message was either cut by your mail server or your reply was cut by mine.

I gave Hannia screenshot of my mailbox supporting that.

Anyway, you can contact me directly just take my email from Hannia.

[MaryLutak]

Max,
I have been away visiting family in Pennsylvania and Kansas, so I've not been logged into the board
for a long time. I am still interested in talking to you about possibly locating family members in Ukraine.
My phone number is 770 962-2283 at home.
My direct email is Lutak@aol.com
You may call me collect.
Thank You and Hannia;,
Mary