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Old 18th August 2008, 05:06
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Husyatyn and Skala-Podolska (Skala) are appx 15 miles apart .
They are both in the Ternopilska oblast/region.
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From late 18th century to 1919 wies Mszaniec (sz in Polish is sh sound)
was a mixture of ethnicities. There was a Greek Catholic Church in the village.
The filial RC Church was in Kobylowloki. Husyatyn was the POWIAT and
Kopyczynce was the GMINA. This was the Tarnipol Region, administered
by ethnic Poles and Germans for the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

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In the late 17th century the village name was taken from word MISHATY
which means TO MIX. Sometime in its unknown past (12th/13th c???),
this was a settlement of Greek sailors. After the Tartar attacks in the 17th
century many Tartars and comrades in arms (Turks & Persians) were taken
prisoner and forced into slave labor. The Baronness who owned
this village and most of the property around there, asked that these
slave laborers be released under her domain. They were allowed
to settle in the village and work her lands. There were already a group of
Slav freemen residing there. Some of their surnames were Hrychko, Litvyn,
Khvedko, Zayetz, Velychko, Prostomyl, Drakhnitsa, Pidstelnyk, Koval & Kochmar.

Additionally there were a few Frenchmen, Germans, and Poles. Additionally, there
many Cossacks, who had come to fight Tartars w/Hetman Morozenko and stayed behind.

There are many legends that revolve around this village. This ancient
village (no one seems to remember the original name) was at the
crossroads when Vohlyn & Kievan Princes fought over turf. There
are many graves, originally shaped as mounds sprinkled around
the village. There are many folk tales about peasants finding old
pots, containing magical powders and expensive stones. Some go on
to do stupid things, while others do smart things w/their finds and live
happily ever after.
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Today selo Mshanets / село Мшанець (coordinates 49.14-25.48)
still exists. There are 1,098 souls still residing there. Terebovlyanskij raion /
Теребовлянський район > Ternopilska oblast /Терноп╕льська область >
Ukraine, latest zip 48161.

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There looks to be one village left, but we will leave that for another day.

???
Jaroslaw could have been someone's given name, which was frequently anglicized to Jerry.
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LDS has filmed GC records for Silets, but I need to get you the film number.
For Pidverbtsi, you might have to make an inquiry at archives. I need to
look for the others.
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Metrical books, 1835-1841

Authors
Greek Catholic Church. Mszaniec (Husiatyn) (Main Author)

Notes
Microreproduction of manuscripts at the Central State Historical Archives of Ukraine in L′viv.
Greek Catholic Church records (births, marriages, deaths) for Mszaniec (Husiatyn), Galizien, Austria; later Mszaniec (Kopyczyńce), Tarnopol, Poland; now Mshanet︠s︡′, Terebovli︠a︡, Ternopil′, Ukraine. Text in Latin.
Record group 201, series 4A, file 3996.

Subjects
Austria, Galizien, Mszaniec (Husiatyn) - Church records
Poland, Tarnopol, Mszaniec (Kopyczyńce) - Church records
Укра╖на, Терноп╕ль, Теребовля, Мшанець - Метричн╕ книги
Ukraine, Ternopil′, Terebovli︠a︡, Mshanet︠s︡′ - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Latin

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 2002

Physical
on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Volume 201-4A/3996 Births, marriages, deaths 1835-1841 (some years missing) - FHL INTL Film [ 2332142 Item 6 ]
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Old 22nd August 2008, 01:22
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Thanks for all the help and information Hannia, Lemko and Zarjacks, I greatly appreciate your effort and insight.

I was inputing more data from my family history books into my genealogy application and I came across a little bit more information about one of these villages.

The Great Grandfather of mine who was born in "Pidvershee, Western Ukraine" had a brother (who happened to marry this Gr Grandfather's wife's sister) who in the book is listed being born in the village of "Pidvertsiv, Western Ukraine" four years after my Great Grandfather.

So the question is this, is there place called "Pidvertsiv", and is that what may have been meant by "Pidvershee", or is "Pidvertsiv" just another interpretation of Pidverbtsi/"Pidvershee"?
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Old 22nd August 2008, 02:26
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So the question is this, is there place called "Pidvertsiv", and is that what may have been meant by "Pidvershee", or is "Pidvertsiv" just another interpretation of Pidverbtsi/"Pidvershee"?
It's just another transliteration/sounds like variant.

The only correct spelling of the place name is П╕двербц╕, in its original language, using the Cyrillic Alphabet.

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Old 22nd August 2008, 11:16
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Hannia, I found a cool transliteration site you might be intersted in, Ukrainian Translit.
It's more fun than tables and does other cyrillic languages as well.
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Old 22nd August 2008, 22:19
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Mr. D,

Wow! Excellent tool. Thank you for the suggestion.
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Mr. D,

Considering the handicap, I think you have done an exc job
tracing your ancestral villages.

Selo/Village in Ukrainian.
Wies/village in Polish.
Powiat/county-administrative district in Polish.
Gmina/judicial-tax district in Polish.
Wojiwodstwo/region in Polish.
Oblast/region in Ukrainian.
Raion/general aplication today is district in Ukrainian.

Some of your villages are in the Borschiv (former name Borsczow) district >
Ternopil Region. Additionally, Husyatyn is also a district center.

There is a fairly simple way of looking for your villages, but I will provide
the HOW TO tomorrow. I am a bit pressed for time at the moment.
I just noticed that you never clarified what was in Борщ╕вський. Also, did you find any information for "Pshanets"?
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