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Old 4th December 2007, 11:15
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looking for Sachnine, Krougliakoff, Dorochenko, Doubinine and Lavoute

Hello
I'm french from ukrainian backgrounds.
As my grand mother Anna Sachnine, born in France from ukrainian parents, didn't wish to talk about her family, i'm trying to track my ukrainian ancestors.
I know very little about them.
She was born in 1911 in Montreuil France from Ilya Sachnine (from region of Poltava) and Sophie (or Sarah) Krougliakoff (from around Odessa), who came to France around 1895 and met at the faculty of medecine, Lyon.
Sophie had many brothers and sisters from 3 different marriages. Her mother's name was Anna Lavoute.
I know that two of her brothers emigrated to the US where their name was changed in Cook. Another one died in goulag, Nicia Krougliakoff went to England where he became a lawyer and few of them went to Russia (we lost tracks of them in particular).
Ilya's father's name was Lazare Sachnine, married to his cousin Sophie Sachnine. Going upper i've found as well the family names of Doubinine and Dorochenko.
As almost all contact with the ukrainian families were cut off not long after the soviet revolution, i'm looking for any information concerning the names of Sachnine, Krougliakoff, Dorochenko, Doubinine and Lavoute.
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Old 6th December 2007, 22:55
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Some History

Welcome Anne,

The majority of Russians who fled to France between the 1880's and the
1890's were Jews, victims of the pogroms which followed the assassination
of Czar Alexander II***. Their arrival in France coincided with the Dreyfus affair,
a period in which anti-Semitism reached its height.

The Russians represented a wide range of social backgrounds. There were intellectuals,
merchants and professionals, but the majority of Russian emigres living in France was
compromised of workers and self-employed artisans. Most Russian Jews who arrived before 1914
worked mainly in the clothing and textile industry, particularly in the manufacture of caps.

***
Renewed Oppression - the "May Laws"

THE EVENTS FOLLOWING THE MURDER of Alexander II in 1881 dash all hopes the Jews might have
had for further improvement of their situation. The assassination, by a small group of revolutionaries,
takes place in an atmosphere of great social unrest, and the beleaguered regime falls back on a
well-tried recipe: blaming the Jews.

Beginning in Elizabetgrad, a wave of pogroms spreads throughout the southwestern regions (Ukraine today),
more than 200 in 1881 alone. The authorities condone them through their inaction and indifference, sometimes
even showing sympathy for the pogromists. An official investigation confirms: the plunderers were convinced
that the attacks were sanctioned by the Czar himself. The same investigation blames "Jewish exploitation"
as the cause for the pogroms.

With the so-called "Temporary Laws" of May 1882 a new period of
anti-Jewish discrimination and severe persecution begins. It lasts until 1917. The area of the Pale of Settlement is
reduced by 10 percent. Jews are once more prohibited from living in villages, to buy or rent property outside their
prescribed residences, denied jobs in the civil service and forbidden to trade on Sundays and Christian holidays.

Excerpt from a very worthwhile link to peruse.
BEYOND THE PALE: Jews in the Russian Empire
BEYOND THE PALE: Jews in the
Russian Empire


Link below will help you to translate the entire web page above.
AltaVista - Babel Fish Translation
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Statistics indicate that of all foreign groups in France in this time
frame, the highest percentage that applied for NATURALIZATION
were Russian. Naturalization records may help you fill in some
details???

Do you know the EXACT place of origin for the families you list?

Have you examined the immigration records?

Have you obtained Anna's birth certificate?
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Old 9th December 2007, 19:08
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Thank you Hanna for all these informations.
I know that both part of my ancestors were jewish but they always denied it. (Probably because they wished to start a new life)
All we know is Ilya Sachnine was born in Rechetilovka (not sure of the spelling) in Poltava region and his father was imperial land keeper and Sophie Krougliakoff was born in Odessa. The only paper the family kept was their "family booklet" which is given by the authorities to any french family after marriage.
We know as well they got married in Odessa (around 1900 or 1901)
and settled down in France both as doctors. So their marriage official papers must have been translated at one stage…
Thank you anyway i'll try to contact Odessa archives.
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Old 10th December 2007, 04:20
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This is was posted in 2001 -

Sachnine/Sachnin from Poltavskaya Guberniya

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SACHNINE/Sachnin?

Current: Reshetilivka (village) > Novosanzharskyj Raion/District>Poltavska Oblast/Region.
Rechetilovka (òÅÛÅÔÉ̦×ËÁ - coordinates 49œ34' 34œ04' ) during the Russian Empire was a district center town.

Using Shtetlseeker, located Rechetilovka/RESHETILOVKA,
(49.34-34.04) 168.5 miles ESE of Kiev and 22.4 miles W of Poltava > now in the Poltavska Oblast.

JewishGen ShtetlSeeker - Town Search
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Ukraine Town Location Guide
Ukraine Town Location Guide

What religion did Sachnine/Sachnin practice?

Assuming that family was Christian Orthodox, checked Mormon Genealogy Library for Poltava Church Records:
Orthodox Church. Only available records available on film dated:
1733-1785
1740-1781

There is a copy of book covering Poltava Nobility 1802-1902 available on film, but it is in Russian.
Vault number #127957.

Do a PLACE SEARCH for POLTAVA to see exactly what is available.
FamilySearch - Family History Library Catalog
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Libr...meset_fhlc.asp

Based on the info not available on film, I would strongly suggest an archival inquiry @ Poltavska Oblast Archives.
They could probably provide you w/names of siblings' marriage partners and names of their children. That in turn
will provide you w/more accurate names for your surviving relatives search. Once you have ascertained some of
these names, you can write the village mayor inquiring re any surviving relatives.

Poltava
vul. Pushkina, 18/24
Derzhavnyi Arkhiv Poltavskoji Oblasti
Director: Katerina Kukuba
UA 36011

PS> Historically the general area around Reshetilovka and south of that was where Cossacks like to winter.
There were many Swedish soldiers that stayed behind after the great Battle at Poltava and there is Swedish
influence in the area as well.
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Some general links re Poltava:

Poltava - history
http://www.freenet.kiev.ua:8080/cies...tava-hist.html

Swedish History - The battle of Poltava
http://www.utb.boras.se/uk/se/projek...e/decline5.htm

EuroScope: On-Line Guides: Ukraine: Poltava
EuroScope: On-Line Guides: Ukraine: Poltava

Olymp Travel LTD | Ukraine | Poltava
http://www.olymp-travel.kiev.ua/inco...kr_poltava.htm

RAGAS - Sources for genealogy in the archives of the former Soviet Unionn
Click to FEEFHS Homepage
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Nouvelle Année Heureuse!!!
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Old 11th December 2007, 02:36
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Odessa > turn of the century Kherson gubernia/region > Russian Empire

There are 4 listings for Krougliakoff surname.
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