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Old 25th September 2007, 16:05
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Hello all, im wondering if anyone could help me i could like me trace my family roots. my family name is Baczkur which i dont not believe is the correct spelling. i believe the correct spelling from the cyrillic alphabet is bachkur (but i could be wrong.) what i can make out is that my gradfather was born in spas in 1923 and moved to england with his wife during the war. this is as much info i can get from my family.


i also have ukrainian relations on my mum side of the family which is ladym. my grandfather was forced to fight in the war with the germans before setteling in the uk.

any help would be great
many thanks
Daniel

p.s i've been told this is the spelling of my name in the cyrillic is
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There are four SPAS /same name villages, that I was able to locate
in Ukraine. Do you have anything (document) that could help
ascertain which one is the Baczkur Family's ancestral village?
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Today selo/village Spas > Starosambirskij (Starij Sambir) raion/district >
Lvivska oblast/region > Ukraine, zip code c/o poshta Tershiv 82073
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Today selo Spas > Roznyativskij (Roznyativ) raion > Ivano-Frankivska
(Ivano-Frankivsk) oblast > Ukraine, zip 77624.

Village above was formerly in Dolinskij (Dolina) raion > Ivano-Frankivska
(Ivano-Frankivsk) oblast .
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Today selo Spas > Kamianka-Buskij (Kamianka Buska) raion >
Lvivska oblast > Ukraine , c/o poshta Derevlyany 80452

Kamianka-Buska was formerly called Kamianka Strumilova.
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Today selo Spas > Kolomijskij (Kolomeja) raion > Ivano-Frankivska
oblast > Ukraine, 78219
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From late 18th century to 1919 all villages above were in Galicia/Halyczyna
Province, administered by ethnic Poles for the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
From 1919-1939 Halyczyna came under Reconstituted Poland's domain.
Technically Poland had not existed for the previous 125 yrs. Post WW2
these regions became a part of SSR Ukraine, under Soviet domain until
1991, when Ukraine became indepedent.
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PS> Did you ever hear Grandfather refer to himself as a Hutsul (micro-ethnic Ukrainian group)?
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Immigrants frequently married from their own district or regions.

Grandmother, Marya Lijka, was born 8/23/1923 in wies/village Lazy > Jaroslaw
district > Lwowskie Wojiwodstwo/region > Halyczyna/Galicia, TODAY in
Podkarpackie wojiwodstwo > SE Poland.

Grandmother's village was predominantly Ukrainian w/its own Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

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Grandmother's Family

State Archive in Przemysl - History
State Archive in Przemysl - History

PEREMYSHL EPARCHY

In 1772 the Austrian Empire required that the clergy keep registers for births, marriages and
deaths for their parish. These records would then be duplicated for civil registries. It took some
time for all areas of the Empire to be in compliance with this new law. In the Peremyshl area this
did not start until 1784.

The Greek Catholic archived records for the Galician portion of Peremyshl (Poland and Ukraine)
are found in the Przemysl State Archive (Archiwum Panstwowe w Przemyslu). The Civil Registry
Offices hold more recent records.

A very small portion of parish books from 106 parishes in Przemysl have been microfilmed by the
LDS. Check you local LDS FHC library for the archival inventory. A larger collection of records,
called the Bishops Transcript Collection, have not been filmed by the LDS. You will need to have
a private researcher, or write for them. (there is a hourly research fee, and document fee which
you will be informed of)

Regional State Archive in Poland:
Archiwum Panstwowe w Przemyslu
37-700 Przemysl
ul. Lelewela 4
POLAND

National Directorate of Archives in Warsaw
Naczelna Dyrekcja Archiwow Panstwowych
00-950 Warszaw
skr. Dluga 6
POLAND

22 of the 54 DEANERIES AND 240 PARISHES IN PZRZEMYSL ARCHIVE

CIESZANOW (Poland): Brusno Stare, Cewkow, Dachnow, Dzikow Stary,
Horyniec, Krupiec, Lowcza, Kipsko, Lubliniec Nowy, Nowe Siolo, Plazow, Podemszczyzna,
Ulazow, Zukow
DROHOBYCZ (Ukraine): Bronicz, Delawa, Dolhe, jasienica Solna, Luzek Dolny, Modrycz,
Nahujowice, Rybnik, rychtycze, Uniatyce
GRYBOW (Poland): Banica, Binczarowa, Brunary Wyzne, Brzesc, Czyrna, Florynka, Izby,
Kamaika, Krolowa Ruska, Snietnica
JAROSLAW (Poland): Boratyn, Cetula, Jaroslaw, Korzenica, Lazy, laszki Dlugie, makowisko,
Miekisz Nowy, Pelkinie, Ryszkowa Wola, Surochow, Wetlina, Wiazownica

JASLISKA (Poland): Zawadka
JAWOROW (Ukraine): Bruchnal, Chotyniec, Czernilawa, Gnojnice, Jaworow, jazow Nowy,
Jazow Stary, MMale Przedmiescie, Molaszkowice,Muzylowice, Olszanica, Porudno, Przylbice, Rogozno,
Siedliska, Szklo, Tuczempy, Zaluze
KOMARNO (Ukraine): Brzeziec, Horbacze, Horozanna Mala, Klicko, Kolodruby, Koniuszki Krolewski,
manasterz, Piaski
KRAKOWIEC (Ukraine): Bonow, Dobromysl, Glinice, Kalnikow, Kobylnica Ruska, Kobylnica Woloska,
Kochanowka, Krakowiec, Lubienie, malnowska Wola, Mlyny, Nahaczow, Sarny, Zmijowiska
LAKA (Ukraine): Bilina Wielka, Bykow, Dublany, Horodyszcze, Mokrzany
LUBACZOW (Poland): Basznia, Bihale, Krowica, Lipowce, Lubaczow, Milkow, Oleszyce, Sieniawka,
Stare Siolo, Sucha Wola, Szczutkow, Wola Oleszycka, Zapalow
MEDENICE (Ukraine): Bilcze, Horucko, Hruszowa, Krynica, Medenice, Rabczyce, Rolow
MEDYKA (Ukraine): Balice, Barycz, Bucow, Bykow, Medyka, Nowosielce, Pozdziacz, Starzawa,
Stubno, Torki
MOSCISKA (Ukraine): Arlamowska Wola, Bolanowice, Chiple, Czerniawa, Hodynie, Husakow,
Krukienice, Laszi, Goscincowe, Malnow, Mosciska, Myslatycze, Pakosc, Radenice, Sokola
MUSZYNA (Poland): Jaworki, Krynica, Labowa, Leluchow, maciejowa, Milik, Mochnaczka, Nowa Wies,
Powroznik, Roztoka Wielka, Szlachtowa, Tylicz, Wierchomla Wielka, Wojkowa, Zegestow, Zlockie
NIEMIROW (Ukraine): Biala Piaskowa, Hruszow, Magierow, Niemirow, Radruz, Smolin, Szczerzec,
Trostianice, Ulicko, Wierzbinay, Wroblaczyn, Zawadow
PRUCHNIK (Poland): Bachow, Chyrzynka, Dubiecko, Kramarzowka, Drywcza, Pelnatycze, Pruchnik,
Rozborz Okragly, Ruska Wies, Rzeplin, Swiebodna, Skopow
RADYMNO (Poland): Drohojow, Malkowice, Nienowice, Ostrow, Radymno, Swiete, Sosnica, Ujkowice,
Walawa,
Wysatyce, Zurawica, Zaleska Wola, Zamiechow
RAWA RUSKA (Ukraine): Belzec, Dziewiecierz, Gole, Hrebenne, Hujcze, Kaminoka Lesna, Kamionka, Lipnik,
Kamionka Starawies, Lubycza, Potylicz, Rawa Ruska, Ruda Lesna, Werchrata, Zaborze
RUDKI (Ukraine): Bienkowa Wisznia, Chiszewice, Kolajowice, Koropuz, Michalowice, Nowosiolki Goscinne,
Podhajczyki, Podhorce, Rudki
SADOW WISZNIA (Ukraine): Dobrzany, Mokrzany, Niklowice, Ozomla, Stojance, Twierdza
SAMBOR (Ukraine): Brzegi, Czukiew, Torhanowice, Wola Kobanska, Wykoty
UHNOW (Ukraine): Chlewczany, Domaszow, Dyniska, karow, Korczmin, Korczow, Machnow, Ostobuz,
Poddubce, Rzeczyca, Salasze, Tehlow, Uhnow, Ulhowek, Wierzbica, Zurawce


All information obtained from East European Genealogist (Journal of the East
European Genealogical Society Inc.) Vol 6, No 2, Winter 1997, article The Bishops'
Collection of Creek Catholic Transcriptions For Peremyshl: A Partial Inventory of
Vital Records For Ukrainians/Lemkos by Brian J. Lenius and John D. Pihach. For
more information contact the EEGS, PO Box 2536, Winnipeg, MB, Canada R3C 4A7,
email info@eegsociety.org
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Archiwum Panstwowe w Przemyslu - strona glówna
Archiwum Pastwowe w Przemylu - strona gwna
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Wilko, a member here, hired someone in Poland to help w/research.
He might be able to recommend someone???
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What happened to Ukrainians from Yaroslaw post WW2?

THE POISONOUS FRUITS OF HATRED PART 1
"Population exchange" in the mirror of historical facts

By Mykola Lytvyn, Doctor of History, Department Chair, I. Krypiakevych
Institute of Ukrainian Studies, Academy of Sciences of Ukraine
The Day Weekly Digest, #36, Kyiv, Ukraine, Tuesday, 21 December 2004

A historian is neither a judge nor a prosecutor, just a biased chronicler of the past. Yet professional
documented chronicles can and must serve to restore historical memory and help governments and
honest politicians pursue a constructive policy.

This is precisely what the half a million Ukrainians whom the totalitarian regimes of the USSR and Poland
forcibly deported from Poland to Soviet Ukraine in 1944-1951 are demanding today.

The new architects of postwar Europe were very well aware of the Ukrainian national liberation movement
or, to use their notorious term, Ukrainian separatism.

Oddly enough, the geopolitical situation in Central and Eastern Europe in1944 was such that deportation of
socially active Western Ukrainians was to the benefit of both the London-based Polish government in exile and
the USSR, with its communist client-state in Poland.

The Mykolajczyk government in exile sought to restore the Second
Rzeczpospolita within the borders that had existed between the two World Wars.

The pro-Soviet Polish National Liberation Committee, formed in July 1944 in Moscow with Stalin's approval
and 'educated' in the Moscow suburb of Barvikha, viewed the deportation of Western Ukrainians as a tool to
ensure stability for a new monoethnic state.

US & BRITISH GOVERNMENTS AGREED

Unfortunately, the US and British governments agreed to the "exchange ofpopulations," including the transfer
of Ukrainians and Poles, because they still considered Poland a sphere of their geopolitical interests.

The Kremlin in turn tried to suppress, by way of deportations, a powerful bulwark of Ukrainian national liberation
movement in the Carpathians, spearheaded by the exhausted but unvanquished Ukrainian Insurgent Army, the UPA.

To execute this sinister plan, Stalin attempted to use the obedient Poles. On July 27, 1944, while the Red Army
was stationed on the banks of the Sian River, the leader of the Polish National Liberation Committee signed a
secret agreement in Moscow about the Soviet-Polish border along the "Curzon line."

The Poles even managed to cajole the dictator into ceding them quite a large territory east of this line, including
the erstwhile princely cities of Peremyshl (Przemysl), Yaroslav (Jaroslaw), and Kholm (Chelm).

As early as September 9 this same Polish committee signed an agreement in Lublin with Soviet Ukraine's
government on evacuating the Ukrainian population from the territory of Poland, and Polish nationals from Ukraine.

Clearly, this accord was signed under the Kremlin's watchful eye. The contracting parties undertook to evacuate
from October 15, 1944, until February 1, 1945, "all ethnic Ukrainians, Belarusians, Russians, and Ruthenians residing
in the Chelm, Hrubieszow, Lubaczow, Jaroslaw, Przemysl, Liskow, Zamosc, Krasnystaw, Bilgoraj, Wlodawa districts
and other areas of Poland."

This was followed by the cynical statement, "The evacuation being voluntary, no direct or indirect coercion shall be
applied. The evacuees are free to express their wish both orally and in writing."

Yet the harsh reality of the so-called evacuation eclipsed the "voluntary nature" of the action and entailed mass-scale
compulsory deportations of Ukrainians from such ancient Ukrainian lands as the Sian, Kholm and Lemko regions.

Eastern Halychyna and Volyn Poles were also forcibly resettled to German ethnic territories. Today, researchers single
out several stages of the 1944-1951 deportations.

SEVERAL STATES OF THE 1944-1951 DEPORTATIONS

[1] During the first stage (October 15-December 31, 1944), the resettlement of a small number of exhausted people
bore some semblance of voluntariness.

Yet the oncoming winter practically put an end to departure requests from northern Zakerzonnia ("beyond the Curzon
line"), while the southern districts ignored the action altogether.

Then, in response to Polish underground terror and by force of military circumstances and abuses on the part of
the Polish authorities, who would close Ukrainian schools and transfer churches to the Roman Catholics, 28,589
people left for Ukraine.

The then leader of Soviet Ukraine, Nikita Khrushchev, failed to implement the idea of establishing a separate Kholm
oblast in Ukraine. As is known, many requests of Ukrainians who were living beyond the Sian to incorporate their
lands into Ukraine have been preserved in archives.
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SECOND STAGE OF DEPORTATIONS

[2] The second stage of the deportations (January 1-August 31, 1945) was timed to coincide with the advance
of the Red Army, which occupied the Sian and Lemko regions.

This time, the people slated to leave were the Ukrainians whose houses and property had been destroyed during
the hostilities against the Germans in the Lupkow and Duplian passes and as a result of forays by the Polish
underground. Nevertheless, requests for resettlement in Soviet Ukraine practically came to a halt in the summer
of 1945.

Desperate people fled to the woods and re-formed guerrilla units, while many youths were mobilized into the Red
Army. Some families sought help from Roman Catholic churchmen and the administration of the Polish schools
that their children were forced to attend.

Many people lodged protests at the time, for example, the residents of the village of Glomcza: "...Our homeland is
here, and we are not going to leave. We think the Ukrainian border should extend as far as Krynica." There were
also other cries of desperation from Lemko residents: "If the Soviet Union does not want our land, then it does not
want us, so leave us alone."

As these Ukrainian acts of protest were foiling the evacuation plans, the 3rd, 8th, and 9th Infantry Divisions of
the Polish Army marched into the Liskow, Przemysl, Lubaczow and Jaroslaw districts to help the local authorities
clear the frontier of so- called "Ukrainian nationalists."

THIRD STAGE OF DEPORTATIONS

[3] Thus, the use of Polish troops signaled the third stage of deportations
(81,806 people) which lasted, by and large, from September 1 to March 1946. The Polish troops in conjunction
with some NKVD units deported most of the Ukrainians from Nadsiannia. The slow pace of deportations in the
Liskow, Lubaczow and Sianoc districts triggered reprisals by UPA-West.

The Ukrainian insurgents destroyed communications, fomented protests against the resettlement, and hampered
the work of the evacuation commissions. To prevent Polish repatriates from settling in the depopulated Ukrainian
villages, the UPA often burned these villages down.

Among those who courageously defended the frontier from the terror of the authorities and troops were the companies
of Burlaka, Hromenko, Krylach and Lastivka, mostly manned by local residents. Attempts were also made, without
apparent success, to make peace with the Armia Krajowa command.

FOURTH AND FINAL STATE OF DEPORTATIONS

[4] At the fourth and final stage, the deportation of Ukrainians to Soviet Ukraine assumed the nature of ethnic cleansing,
a fact that Polish officials still do not always accept.

In the second half of 1945 and also in 1946, the Communist government of Poland had no scruples about organizing a new "pacification," burning dozens of Ukrainian villages and terrorizing peaceful residents on the principle of collective
responsibility.

This forced desperate peasants to leave behind their property and cross the Polish-Soviet border en masse -
illegally, without documents. Many fled to Slovakia and then to Germany or into Poland's hinterland.

The fourth stage saw 154,000 people deported to the east. On the whole, the Polish totalitarian government
deported about 482,000 Ukrainians in 1944-1946. Apart from ordinary citizens, about 300 priests were also
forcibly deported to Soviet Ukraine.

The Polish government interpreted the arrest and deportation to the USSR of Przemysl bishop Josaphat Kotsylovsky
as the abolition of the Przemysl Diocese.

By 1947 there was not a single Greek Catholic church left in Przemysl. In 1947-1949 the state nationalized the
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church's property, with many premises being leased out to the Roman Catholic Church.

The overwhelming majority of deportees settled in the western regions, and a third of them were moved to the
eastern and southern parts of Soviet Ukraine.

However, secret documents of the Soviet security forces say that the flight of "those from behind the Curzon line"
from the east to the west of Poland, where individual farming prevailed, was of a hasty and mass- scale nature.

This is why the Council of People's Commissars of Soviet Ukraine resolved on October 16, 1945, to ban resettlement
in Ukraine's western regions. Yet the deportees continued to be settled without permission in Ternopil, Drohobych,
Lviv and Volyn oblasts.

OPERATION VISTULA (AKCJA WISLA) IN 1947

Finally, the Polish government's Operation Vistula (Akcja Wisla) in 1947, when at least 150,000 Ukrainians were deported
to northern Poland, concluded ethnic cleansing in the eastern frontier. In the course of pre- planned ethnic cleansing
of the frontier, the two totalitarian regimes repeatedly revised the interstate border.

For instance, during the new demarcations of the Polish-Ukrainian border in 1945-1948, Soviet Ukraine and Poland obtained
18.9 sq. km. and 20.5 sq. km., respectively. Under the Soviet-Polish treaty of February 15, 1951, Poland received another
480 sq. km. of Drohobych oblast and Ukraine, a same-sized area of Lublin voivodship.

Clearly, the repressions against and the deportations of the Ukrainians exposed the anti-people nature of the
totalitarian regimes of Communist Poland and the USSR. The Soviet government failed to fulfill its commitments
to provide the deportees with logistical support.

Only 56% of resettled households were compensated for the property they left behind in Poland. Sadly, the plans of
Warsaw and Moscow reflected the interests of the government, not the people.

SOCIALLY UNPROTECTED & PSYCHOLOGICALLY VULNERABLE

For decades the deported Ukrainians remained a socially unprotected and psychologically vulnerable part of
postwar Soviet society.

Today the settlers hope that the government of the new Ukraine, and in the long run of post-Communist Poland,
will fully share the pain and tragedy of the hundreds of Ukrainians who were born in the western-most Ukrainian
lands and are now advocating the current cause of Ukraine by word and deed.

Victims of the totalitarian regime are demanding a political appraisal of
these past shameful misdeeds as well as material compensation for the damage done to their families.
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