2 Cattleranchers.. Bush and Sharon.. treat Palestinians like cattle

[fishcantscream]

Originally posted by julie
In Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharatt's personal diaries, there is an excerpt from May of 1955 in which he quotes Moshe Dayan as follows: "[Israel] must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no - it must - invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge...And above all - let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space." Quoted in Livia Rokach, "Israel's Sacred Terrorism."



Sharon came to the Washington White House to
visit his subjects..
he controls the military, the money, the media in the USA

Sharon with Israel's biggest cattleranch
and Bush with a 1600 acre cattle ranch..
once again treating Palestinians the way they treat
their captive cows

(With money stolen from MCI customers and stockholders
Bernie Ebbers bought the biggest cattle ranch in Canada)

[Arthur803]

Sharon and Bush are ⌠treating Palestinians the way they are treating their captive cows■ at their cattle ranches. Your analogy does hold water! But the most regrettable fact that the Ukrainians don▓t differ so much in this respect. I am not under any illusions anymore. Perhaps the relationship between Bush▓s America and the Ukraine hasn▓t reached the status of the cool cowboy and his ⌠captive cows■ so far. Not yet but it▓s near to it. Ukraine is rather a ⌠milking cow■ for Bush and Co. Our present politicians go out of their way to please the master. They have nothing so much to suggest except for ⌠cheap human resources■. In the Americans▓ perception we are good only for ┘. dying for their ⌠democratic values■ in Iraq. They say we▓ve not met their expectations in Iraq. Hm┘ I guess our soldiers were not quick enough to expose themselves to the Iraqis fire instead of the ⌠brave■ American GIs. Dream on! We don▓t want to be just cannon fodder for you! Now they want our servicemen to go to Afghanistan to replace the Brits and Germans there. Poor guys are absolutely knackered, they say. Ours are not. Not yet.
I wish it▓s ripe time to patch up things at our own home. Perhaps we need new more Ukraine not America oriented leaders able to convert the Ukraine from a beggar to a flourishing country.
Fish can scream when it hurts but you have a good ear to hear.

[Ulysses]

Hello Arthur803/Inch,

Originally posted by Arthur803
Our present politicians go out of their way to please the master.

I don't think I would agree with that statement. Kuchma being the savvy politician that he is, is giving concessions to the Russian and US governments in order to assure he will not end up like Lazarenko.

They have nothing so much to suggest except for ⌠cheap human resources■. In the Americans▓ perception we are good only for ┘. dying for their ⌠democratic values■ in Iraq. They say we▓ve not met their expectations in Iraq.

Who specifically said "expectations" were not met? Richard Armitage in Washington stated recently that the administration was satisified with the performance of Ukrainian peacekeepers?

Hm┘ I guess our soldiers were not quick enough to expose themselves to the Iraqis fire instead of the ⌠brave■ American GIs. Dream on! We don▓t want to be just cannon fodder for you!

Uhh...The US/UK commanders don't run a military like the Red Army. Actually the order to retreat was given by a CPA commander. It was the obvious choice, the Ukrainians are geared for peacekeeping. They are not an expeditionary force.

Perhaps we need new more Ukraine not America oriented leaders able to convert the Ukraine from a beggar to a flourishing country.[/B]

I don't know how you see things but Kuchma seems Russia oriented, not America oriented. The NATO commitment was a sort of penance for selling Saddam some Koluchgas.

[fishcantscream]

now782 americans and countless tens? of thousands of iraqis
dead in the likud war

[marym]

I'd love to hear the FACTS about how Sharon controls the U.S. I'd love to hear exactly what he controls and how.

I've never yet heard anyone from the U.S. say that, only people who have never been there.

[Freedom1]

Must have flown under your radar that President Bush has
publicly called for the formation of a Palestinian State.

Puts a big hole in your less than erudite analysis.

US Foreign Policy wants a Palestinian State. Unfortunately this is tenuous position domestically since the Jewish lobby is disproportionately strong ( meaning with only 2% of the IS population is Jewish, they command alot more strength than their numbers would warrant).



[Edited by Freedom1 on 1st July 2004 at 07:44]

[marym]

Freedom1, I have no idea who you were referring to in your last comment, as you never said.

I'd appreciate it if you could site your sources. Without them your 'erudite analysis' sounds like more stereotypes and anti-Semitism...same old same old. In the U.S. most people support Israel without supporting everything unquestioningly. That is the meaning of democracy. You can support a country, a leader, and still disagree with some policies. However, most Americans (and Europeans), according to their press and other media, support Israel as the only democracy in the area, as the only nation that has come to the aid of others when under terrorist attack (see history of Entebbe, and Ethiopia for ex.) and as the only nation in that area that doesn't voice such extensive and pervasive desire to make the world all Arab. (that includes Eastern Europe, by the way).
Have you travelled thru the Arab countries? Of course most Arabs do want peace. Of course so many don't. And of course the terrorists are not being stopped by the Arab countries.
One of the problems the French talk about so much now, is that they feel "taken over" by Muslims, who now make up a large percentage of the French population. The Muslim response? "France now, the rest of Europe soon"
So...yes...for many reasons most thinking Americans, as well as others, support Israel's right to protect it's civilians. Wouldn't you??

I know it is difficult to form opinions based on reading when the sources are so often biased. Nothing substitutes for living in these countries for years at a time, and learning first hand.