The Elian Scam is Over.

[B_Ungaro]

Greetings,
Now that Elian has been reunited with his father I want to say a few words about it.
I lived under communism, I am a sponsor (God Parent) of a child who grew up under communism, my sister and her husband are the
sponsors (God Parents) of our two children.
My sister was a card carrying communist, while communism existed in Hungary. I can tell you that none of the propoganda
spread by the Conservative Right Wing Wackos
is true about the treatment of children under communism. At least not what I have seen. In Hungary children were always treated as Super Stars.
The Miami Cuban Community should be ashamed.
Let us not forget that most of these people
are former Lackies for Battista, under whom
Cuba was a country of baggers, prostitutes,
pimps, gansgters and very poor and very rich people. When Fidel chased Battista and his lackies out of Cuba, most of them settled in Miami. In the meantime, Fidel has stayed on a little too long. The US is the only Western Country not trading with Cuba. Canada as an example does Billions in business with Cuba. Jesse Helms and his EVIL
comrades have been the main reason why the US has not opened relations with Cuba. All the VENOM generated by these sorry bastards
infact prolonged Fidels stay. Now back to Elian.
This has never been about Fidel or Communism.
This has been about a little boy being reunited with his father. I regret that the
Conservatives in our country and the Renegade Cuban Community chose to make a political football out of this little boy.
It just shows how Bankrupt these people are.
No wonder that all the Civilized Countries have turned their back on CONSERVATISM.
England, Germany, France, Italy, Venezuela,
Israel, are just a few that come to my mind.
In summary, the behaivor of the Conservatives
and the renegade Cubans can be characterized
with two words: EVIL and IGNORANT.
Now you know it.

[johnstruthers]

Amen, Brother Bill. For those who are interested, the 4/23 edition of the New York Times Magazine features two great stories related to the Elian episode. One deals with the family dynamics that created the conditions for this ordeal, and the other is a story by a writer who left Cuba 20 years ago. I, too, lived under communism, as many of you did, and it is correct that this was less about the kind of future Elian would have in Cuba than a flexing of muscles by a very strange collection of bedfellows in Washington.

Elian is part of a large extended family that resides in both Florida and Cuba. He is loved by all of them, but is properly returned to the arms of his father now, pending the outcome of a ludicrous court challenge that suggests that six year old children can ask for asylum based on their political beliefs.

The conservatives have made a great deal of mischief in this case. We should all wish the best outcomes for Elian and his one suriving parent, his father.

[Foggy]

Just in the interests of fairness... I am a conservative, but I am not a "right-wing wacko," nor or the vast majority of us.

Of course communists treat children well... they want to win their hearts. It could be called "brainwashing" and "indoctrination."

I do object to the tacit insinuation that if one is conservative, he/she is both ignorant and evil. (I realize that the word "behavior" is used, but that fine distinction will be lost on most readers.)

I repeat... I am politically conservative. Jesse Helms is from my state, and although I do not agree with all of his pronouncements or positions, he has served his constituency and his country long and faithfully.

All that said, I agree that the Elian thing was a fiasco. If Castro and our politicians had stayed out of it, the boy could have been returned to his father quietly and peacefully long ago. It was an issue between the father and the immigration department United States, not Castro and the government of the United States.

Just out of curiosity, why did it take the father so long to come here to get him? Why was he not here on the first plane? Anybody know?

Fog


[This message has been edited by Foggy (edited 23 April 2000).]

[d_seven]

Now it seems Tom DeLay and the other right-wing nuts want to hold Congressional hearings into Elian's rescue. Will it never end?

Foggy,
About "brainwashing" and "indoctrination"; it seems to me that the Miami Cubans have done a bit of that themselves.

[B_Ungaro]

Dear Foggy,
I hate that you take the brunt of the the salvo aimed at CONSERVATIVES. You are a fair and decent person. It is almost unfair that you call yourself a conservative. Everything about conservatism seems to be a scam. While they call themselves conservative, they advocate some of the most Radical changes
ever. Istead of improving on this or that, they want to throw everything out the door.
I hate to say this but their constituency is
pretty much the same as that of the Right
Wing Religious folks. I will say this in conclusion, there is plenty wrong with some of the things that the Democrats are advocating or have done. Most of this can be contributed to plain stupidity. On the other hand, the policies advocated by CONSERVATIVES are calculating, evil, self serving, reactionary, evil again, the Elian
story is a good example. One must not forget
that Communism usually replaces Regimes that
together with the Church were not able to or unwilling to deal with the needs ot the people. Cuba is again a good example. One could further say that the suffering heeped
on humanity by Communism can be directly
attributed to Conservatism and the Church.
One made the people poor the other made them humble. Again, Cuba is a good example.
The good news is that people are turning their back on CONSERVATISM. Even in the U.S. the last two elections, progressive thinkers have made gains.
Good Luck.

[Foggy]

D_seven: I can't argue with you on that.

B.Ungaro: I believe we would probably define conservatism differently, because while I call myself "conservative," I don't disagree with a lot of what you say. I despise that which is blatantly "political" no matter what the ilk -- especially when it manipulates and uses people to achieve its ends. And, this, both sides have certainly done re Elian.

I have been vaguely sickened through this whole ordeal, and wept when I saw guns used in the "rescue." I pray for the boy and his family on both sides of the water.

Best to you both.

[grandma]

Do you think this boy would suffer consequencies of all this story? I think his life can be tragic.

Fog, do you really sure that only in the socialist system the schools are "brainwashing"?! I lived in socialist country, now I live in capitalist country with conservative government... The same.

As in old tango - "El mundo fue y sera una porqueria, ya lo se, en el 503 y en 2000 tambien" (All the world was and will be a muck, I know it, in the 503 and also in 2000). It is a tango of Discepolo. So I'm "discepolista".