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Old 1st March 2015, 18:51
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Boris Nemtsov: marchers in Moscow honour murdered opposition politician – as it happened - Thousands of people take to the streets in memory of the former deputy prime minister and vehement critic of Vladimir Putin’s rule
Peter Walker 1 March 2015 11.49 EST THE GUARDIAN

Closing summary

It’s after dark in Moscow and time for a closing summary.
-Large numbers of people have rallied in Moscow following the murder of the prominent opposition politician Boris Nemtsov, who was shot dead late on Friday. Police put numbers at 7,000, while those involved said the protest drew 50,000.
-There were similar if smaller protests in other Russian cities, including Ekaterinburg and St Petersburg.
-The US secretary of state, John Kerry, has called for a “thorough, transparent, real investigation” into the killing.
-The Ukrainian MP Alexei Goncharenko was arrested in connection with the protest. In a Facebook update he said he was held because of a T-short carrying a protest slogan.
-Marina Litvinenko, the widow of Alexander Litvinenko, has said the murder was “the full responsibility of [Vladimir Putin] and his government”.

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Could Nemtsov Threaten Putin in Death as in Life?
Carl Schreck, February 28, 2015 8:23 AM VOICE OF AMERICA

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Assessment of Putin changed

Nemtsov had initially offered guarded praise for Putin after Yeltsin appointed the former KGB officer to the post of prime minister in 1999, calling him a “very acceptable figure” for Russia’s liberals and a “capable, experienced, and intelligent person.”

But he told Ekho Moskvy in 2013 that he had never supported Putin, noting that his mother told him to “never trust” a KGB man.

He said Putin’s first four years in office – including the arrest of Russian oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky and authorities’ response to the 2004 terrorist attack on Beslan’s School No. 1 – turned him against the Russian president for good.

Speaking to RFE/RL in 2011, Nemtsov said he, Yeltsin, and the former president’s team were “naive” to believe ending communism would mean “a great life in a few months."

“We believed that we would just dismiss communism and we'd be lucky,” he said. But unfortunately reality looks much more serious and much more complicated than we believed at the time."

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Putin might be mad, but he's not stupid. If the Kremlin wanted Nemtsov out of the way, they would have done it quietly, and certainly not by dramatically gunning him down right in view of the Kremlin ahead of a weekend rally. For some reason though media outlets like CNN are characterizing Nemstov as the silenced voice of the people, while in reality he only had a 3-5% popularity rating. If Putin was really gunning down opposition threats on the street, why not the much more prominent Navalny? Meanwhile, the Communist Party is without doubt by far the largest vocal opposition group to Putin but CNN never mentions them. None of this defends Putin, only to say its too obvious to rush and blame him for this particular murder...

Cui Bono: US State Department Admits Russia had Nothing to Gain from Killing Boris Nemtsov

Which leaves exactly who as a possible suspect? Cui bono?

By Tony Cartalucci Global Research, March 01, 2015

Perhaps believing by virtue of having admitted the murder of Russian opposition member Boris Nemtsov in Russia’s capital of Moscow Friday evening in no way served the Russian government’s best interests, the US State Department believes it can deflect guilt from being shifted towards its direction. Indeed, the US State Department through its Voice of America media network - chaired by the US Secretary of State himself - would state in an online article titled, “Could Nemtsov Threaten Putin in Death as in Life?,” that (emphasis added):

With the murder of Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov, gunned down on a Moscow street, the fiercest critic of President Vladimir Putin has been removed from the political stage. But it remains to be seen whether, in death as in life, Nemtsov will remain a threat to Putin’s rule.

Already, city authorities have approved a mass march for up to 50,000 people in central Moscow on Sunday. The march, expected to be far larger than the scheduled protest rally it replaces, will provide a powerful platform for Kremlin critics who suspect a government hand in Nemtsov’s death.

Even officials in Putin’s government seem to sense the danger that the former first deputy prime minister’s martyrdom might pose, hinting darkly that Friday night’s drive-by shooting may have been an deliberate “provocation” ahead of the planned weekend rally.

While this logic has clearly not escaped the US State Department’s media network, it stops short of clearly implicating the Russian opposition and its foreign backers (the US State Department itself) as the chief suspects in Nemtsov’s murder – though the article clearly states only the opposition (and in turn, their foreign sponsors) stood to benefit from his death.

The diminutive and previously ineffective protests carried out by the opposition will now be “far larger” and serve as a “powerful platform for Kremlin critics,” a reality that simply would not have existed had Nemtsov not been murdered.

One must also factor in the United States’ various proxy conflicts it is waging against Russia, and seemingly losing – including in Syria and Ukraine. The opportunity to spread chaos in the streets of Moscow would not only benefit the US and its agenda beyond its borders, but is in fact America’s stated foreign policy.

Despite attempts to frame it otherwise, even the US State Department cannot escape the fact that Russia lacked any motivation at all to murder a fading opposition leader, let alone incriminatingly murder him practically on the doorstep of the Kremlin itself. Whoever killed Nemtsov meant for the uninformed general public to think it was the Kremlin, however.

Ironically, the US State Department’s media article in Voice of America, echos facts pointed out in the direct aftermath of the murder by many independent analysts. In the previously published article, “Russia: US-Backed Opposition Leader Gunned Down in Moscow: Martyrdom on demand: if not of use alive, perhaps of use dead?,”for example, it was stated explicitly that:

Regarding Nemtsov’s murder, any good investigator would be tasked with the question, “to whose benefit?” Surely it would benefit the Kremlin to rid themselves of an opponents, but not in this manner. In fact, the only party that stood to benefit from his high-profile execution in the streets of Moscow were his own compatriots and his foreign backers who faced the prospect of yet another failed protest. Sympathy, they hope, will spur Russians who are on the fence politically to take to the streets, joining others who may have previously avoided protests because of Russia’s economic strength before US sanctions sank in.

The US State Department’s concession not only raises considerable doubt over the involvement of the Kremlin in Nemtsov’s death, but also shifts suspicion primarily onto his own opposition movement and the extensive foreign interests backing it. Of course, the US State Department will never publish an article pointing out the obvious fact that it itself stood the most to gain from Nemtsov’s murder, but this recent concession all but states this obvious reality, nonetheless.

Cui Bono: US State Department Admits Russia had Nothing to Gain from Killing Boris Nemtsov | Global Research
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Spouting Kremlin propaganda, Szary, the Rossisky troll, has arrived ! Must have been on vacation?

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Szary : while in reality he only had a 3-5% popularity rating.

Your drivel has nothing to do with facts or reality.
Nemtsov's popularity was @16% according to latest polls. He and his allies blamed their lack of popular support on the media landscape in Russia, where all major TV stations are owned by Kremlin-friendly entities.

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At least 44,000 march for Nemtsov in Moscow (LIVE STREAM)
March 1, 2015, 4:20 p.m. | Russia and former Soviet Union — by Kyiv Post

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Various estimations counted up to 50,000 people at the march. According to the White Counter, a group of activists counting the participants, 44,700 people have pased the metal detector frames at the gathering point at Kitay-Gorod as of 16:30 Moscow time, 2.5 hour after the people began arriving at 2 p.m.
At least 44,000 march for Nemtsov in Moscow (LIVE STREAM)
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Boris Nemtsov Funeral to Be Held Tuesday in Moscow
The Moscow Times Mar. 02 2015 16:04

Murdered opposition leader Boris Nemtsov will be laid to rest on Tuesday at a cemetery in southwest Moscow, a member of his political party has said.

Nemtsov will be buried at the Troyekurovskoye cemetery at his family's request, the TASS news agency cited Konstantin Merzlikin, a RPR-Parnas lawmaker, as saying Saturday.

The Troyekurovskoye cemetery is also the resting place of another murdered Kremlin critic, Novaya Gazeta journalist Anna Politkovskaya.

A memorial service will also take place between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m. at the Sakharov Center, a civil-rights center based in Moscow, the report added.

Nemtsov, a longtime member of the opposition, was gunned down outside the Kremlin in a drive-by shooting on Friday. Thousands of Muscovites rallied on Sunday at a march in his memory. Boris Nemtsov Funeral to Be Held Tuesday in Moscow | News | The Moscow Times
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Authorities Deny Kremlin Cameras Were Off During Nemtsov's Murder
The Moscow Times Mar. 02 2015 12:12

A spokesperson for Moscow's information technology department has denied media reports that some of the surveillance cameras around the Kremlin had been switched off at the time of Boris Nemtsov's murder.

The spokesperson said all surveillance cameras had been fully functional on Friday night when opposition leader Nemtsov was gunned down on the Bolshoi Moskvoretsky Bridge, RIA Novosti news agency reported Monday.

Earlier on Monday, Kommersant newspaper said surveillance footage of the incident in the Kremlin area — one of the most heavily guarded places in Moscow — was either blurry or altogether absent, given that some cameras had been turned off for repairs.

Nemtsov, one of President Vladimir Putin's most virulent critics, was shot in the back and the heart two steps from the Kremlin and Red Square, as he was crossing the bridge on Friday night.

Television channel TVTs on Saturday broadcast surveillance footage it claimed showed the murder from a distance.

The blurry video appears to show that the shooter was hiding in a stairway on the Bolshoi Moskvoretsky Bridge, before hopping into a getaway car. Authorities Deny Kremlin Cameras Were Off During Nemtsov's Murder | News | The Moscow Times
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'The West' Did It: Nemtsov Conspiracy Theory Snowballs In Russia
March 02, 2015 RADIO FREE EUROPE Carl Schreck

Since Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov’s slaying in central Moscow on February 27, numerous senior Russian officials, talking heads, and pro-Kremlin activists have insinuated or outright claimed that “the West” is responsible for the crime.

“Some kill in cold blood in front of movie cameras, with all of the cinematic flourishes and techniques, … like Islamist radicals do in the Middle East. Others kill in such a way that it appears they have nothing to do with another person’s death, mumbling something about democracy,” Dmitry Kiselyov said on March 1 in his weekly news program Vesti Nedeli on the state-run Rossia-1 television channel.

Kiselyov, head of the state-owned media organization Rossia Segodnya who relentlessly decries what he calls attempts by the West to undermine Russia’s sovereignty, stopped short of directly accusing Western governments of organizing Nemtsov’s killing.

But in the segment, which featured a graphic reading “Bloody Provocation,” he added that the West would benefit from the images of the crime scene on a bridge near the Kremlin on the eve of an antigovernment protest in Moscow that he said was destined to flop.

“No one would find out that the air was going out of the protest even before it started. Blood, stars, Nemtsov, bullets: Those are the associations they need,” Kiselyov said.

Unlike Kiselyov, other prominent members of Russia’s political elite refused to dance around the conspiracy theory that the United States or Europe was responsible for killing Nemtsov in order to discredit Russian President Vladimir Putin and his government.

“Why are we so scared of conspiracy theories? Look what the CIA does. They kidnap our citizens. They torture people. They do anything they want,” Andrei Lugovoi, a deputy in Russia’s State Duma, said in a March 1 talk show broadcast on Rossia-1.

Lugovoi, who is wanted in Britain in connection with the 2006 poisoning death of former Russian security-services officer Aleksandr Litvinenko, added that only the West benefits from the death of Nemtsov, a former deputy prime minister who became a vocal Putin critic and operated on the margins of Russia’s domestic political landscape at the time of his death.

“This clearly did not benefit the opposition or the authorities -- only the West. I am deeply convinced of this,” said Lugovoi, who represents the ultranationalist Liberal Democratic Party in Russia’s lower chamber of parliament.

Another State Duma deputy, Valery Rashkin of the Communist Party, called Nemtsov’s assassination-style killing an “act of war against the entire Russian elite, a public demonstration with the message: ‘We won’t let anyone stop us.’”

Rashkin claimed in a February 28 blog post that the killing was ordered by “a transnational group of the financial elite based in the United States" that has ties to former U.S. Senator and Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, wife of former U.S. President Bill Clinton.

‘Provocation By The USA’

Russian-language Internet users have flooded social networking sites in recent days with accusations that the U.S. government was behind Nemtsov’s killing.

Michael McFaul, the former U.S. ambassador to Russia, suggested that the proliferation of these theories on Twitter were part of a “paid campaign” and said it was ironic that for years Nemtsov had been demonized by Kremlin supporters as an American pawn.

Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov, whom rights activists and Western officials have accused of ordering extrajudicial killings both in Russia and abroad, saw no contradictions in Nemtsov’s purported fealty to foreign paymasters that he claims were responsible for the slaying.

“There is no doubt that the murder of Nemtsov was organized by Western intelligence agencies who seek by any means to create internal conflict in Russia by any means possible,” Kadyrov wrote in a February 28 Instagram post. “That’s what they do. First they take someone under their wings, call him a friend of America and Europe, and then sacrifice him in order to implicate the political leadership.”

Other Kremlin supporters took this message directly to American diplomats in the Russian capital.

In a February 28 tweet, pro-Putin youth activist Maria Katasanova, an assistant to hard-line United Russia lawmaker Yevgeny Fyodorov, posted a photograph of herself standing in front of the U.S. embassy in Moscow holding a sign that reads: “Nemtsov’s murder is a provocation by the USA.”

Not all pro-Kremlin mouthpieces have rushed to accuse the United States or other Western governments of complicity in the crime.

Sergei Markov, a former State Duma deputy and veteran of the U.S. think tank world who once co-authored a book with McFaul, wrote in a February 28 Facebook post that the “dominant theory in Russia” that U.S. secret services were involved in Nemtsov’s killing is misplaced.

“Nemtsov was clearly a pro-American politician,” Markov wrote. “It’s hard for me to imagine that the U.S. government bureaucracy would give the green light to U.S. secret services to kill a famous pro-American politician."

He posited that it is “very likely” that Ukrainian security services are responsible for Nemtsov’s death.
'The West' Did It: Nemtsov Conspiracy Theory Snowballs In Russia
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Spouting Kremlin propaganda, Szary, the Rossisky troll, has arrived ! Must have been on vacation?
My dear Hannia, I haven’t been on vacation, you can probably guess that I had been recalled to the Kremlin to receive my latest instructions on how to undermine the Ukrainian forum. My gosh, you probably think I’m not joking when I say that. The moderators can no doubt see my California IP address, but then maybe the Kremlin planted me here, right?

Honestly Hannia, I just haven’t had much to say since 95% of the postings on this forum are simply you reposting mainstream and only mainstream news easily seen anywhere. Which would be okay if you sometimes included some insightful discussion or opinions. In contrast, someone like stepanstas has swayed my opinion more than once with his knowledge and statements.

So getting back to business, in your view is the Canadian news website in my previous post Russian propaganda? Do you truly think that the KGB/FSB is so unsophisticated in accomplishing their missions as to simply gun people down like the old time Mafia? But then why am I asking, you unfortunately never offer insight, you only launch personal attacks against any who question. Peace.
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