Go Back   Ukraine.com Discussion Forum > Society > Current Events

Notices


Ukraine's telephone talk

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 10th March 2015, 15:30
Gotno Gizmo Gotno Gizmo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,473
Gotno Gizmo is on a distinguished road
Confusing feedback

I try to quiz contacts in touch with Donbas friends and family to try and determine any changes of loyalty traits by those citizens surviving in the pro-Russian occupied parts of Donbas.
It would seem that those people who were hard pro-Russia from the onset, remain so.

Those who were middle of the road, before the loss of Debaltseve to the pro-Russian forces, still believed that Ukraine may have had the key to a peaceful resolution. However, they are now more inclined to believe that Ukraine is too weak to be able to influence their future lives and whilst perhaps not loving Putin, are starting to believe he may be the better of two poor choices. Also bear in mind that ALL occupied Donbas citizens without satellite TV, only have Russian channels available to them complete with Russian propaganda.

Most distinctly pro-Ukraine Donbas citizens were usually younger and often more resourceful citizens and are now in west Ukraine. Those that have stayed still dislike Putin (not Russian's generally) but despair of their current miserable situation and resent that Ukraine has "abandoned" them. These emotions clearly arise out of their pensions, and of Ukraine government workers wages being cut for many months. A former Ukraine worker may have remained loyal to his/her position, especially as teacher, doctor, nurse etc. They now find themselves being administered by "Republic" masters (often incompetently and with sparse resources), but work on out of sense of duty and forlorn hope that they will be paid by somebody soon.

Debaltseve is trying to establish electricity supply to much of the town and manpower there has been recruited to work on the railway. Reports suggest that there are two available routes to Donetsk, but only one of these can be restored to service quickly. There is no attempt being made to enable a service connection to the west.
Food supplies are maintained by humanitarian aid and a register of the remaining population is being made by way of receiving entitlement to these rations.
Those remaining seem to be blaming the Ukraine Army for the damage to the town more than the pro-Russian forces. However, it must be realized that now their new masters are pro-Russian administrators, and it would be inappropriate to say otherwise.
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 11th March 2015, 19:47
Gotno Gizmo Gotno Gizmo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,473
Gotno Gizmo is on a distinguished road
No internet tonight in LNR

It seems that everyone in Kiev and seemingly the rest of the world has no internet communications with the "Lugansk People's Republic" tonight. The outage has been going on for several hours already. Perhaps they haven't being paying their bills?
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 14th March 2015, 04:45
stepanstas stepanstas is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 3,147
stepanstas is on a distinguished road
Gotno, about those more resourceful citizens that were able to move to western Ukraine. Is there any sense that they have abandoned Donbas permanently or temporarily. Do they have a place to come back to if they so choose, is their property safe?

Also, how is local police there now? Do they have control over local matters or have they given up? The news isn't very clear as some were given options to relocate to other areas.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 14th March 2015, 20:55
Gotno Gizmo Gotno Gizmo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,473
Gotno Gizmo is on a distinguished road
No good news!

stepanstas asked;
about those more resourceful citizens that were able to move to western Ukraine. Is there any sense that they have abandoned Donbas permanently or temporarily. Do they have a place to come back to if they so choose, is their property safe?

Also, how is local police there now? Do they have control over local matters or have they given up? The news isn't very clear as some were given options to relocate to other areas.

I have heard of one single woman who is now working and residing in Kiev, but has an apartment in Lugansk which reportedly has not been damaged by warfare. However, she is striving to get a visa for Canada to reside with her daughter there. A young man who owns a habitable apartment in Lugansk is minded that he will never return to Lugansk, but says he doesn't see a good future for himself in Kiev either and would like to get a job in another country. My dentist from Lugansk now has a practice in Kiev and when I saw him recently and asked him about returning to Lugansk, he said he couldn't imagine this in the foreseeable future.

I believe that many of the former serving policemen under Ukraine service, decided that they would continue to serve in their new uniforms. I have no idea what form of legislation is being used for legal charging of offenders, or use of any previous case law. Are they still using criteria of Ukraine law, hastily adopting Russian law, or perhaps making it up as they go along? But I guess as few people are being adequately paid for their efforts, who cares!

A friend has recently had a phone conversation with a pro-Russian resident of Sevastopol. She is almost in tears describing the anguish that they feel about what has happened to their beloved Putin. Has he died, or has been replaced by a sudden coup. Many in Crimea feel dependent upon Putin and are fearful that should he be no longer, their expectations for their better future is in unclear.

I'm also hearing stories about people coming from Lugansk having difficulty exiting from the Lugansk "Republic" into Ukraine. Apparently there are long queues of traffic trying to exit as individuals are subject to interrogation by Ukraine officials about their purpose of travel, and of their state of domicile in the LNR. Allegedly, a large number are being refused entry, and are having to go back. The easy answer is to have a special registration transit pass, but these are only obtainable from an office inside of Ukraine controlled territory. Consequently, an expensive bus service is to start for 800 UAH per person. It will go east into Russia, travel to Belarus, to enter the Ukraine border nearer Kiev where it is said there are no known entry problems.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 16th March 2015, 03:02
stepanstas stepanstas is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 3,147
stepanstas is on a distinguished road
Wow, thanks for the insight. Fascinating to read.
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 16th March 2015, 13:48
klb1182 klb1182 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: USA
Posts: 14
klb1182 is on a distinguished road
Yes, thank you again for your updates and sharing the information with us! Very interesting, and scary for all involved.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 16th March 2015, 19:18
Hannia Hannia is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 27,520
Hannia will become famous soon enough
GG. How true or how false is following? Any word?
=====================================
Fighting rages near Donetsk airport despite Ukraine ceasefire
Gabriela Baczynska SPARTAK, Ukraine Mon Mar 16, 2015 REUTERS

Heavy machine gun and light artillery fire pounded a district of Donetsk, the biggest city of eastern Ukraine, on Monday and pro-Russian rebels said there had been no lull in the fighting since a February ceasefire.

The Spartak district, adjacent to the city's now-flattened airport, is one of several sites in eastern Ukraine to have seen continued hostilities between the rebels and Ukrainian government forces since last month's ceasefire, brokered by France and Germany in the Belarussian capital Minsk.

The ceasefire is broadly holding in the rest of the region.

"Not a single day has been quiet here since the deal. One of our guys got killed here today and we have lost nine in total since the deal," said one rebel fighter who gave his name as Roman and bore the nickname Gruzin, or 'the Georgian'.

He commands some 120 members of the rebel Vostok (East) battalion in Spartak, an area where most houses and other infrastructure were destroyed during months of heavy fighting for control of the nearby Donetsk city airport.

The airport is now completely destroyed but its ruins lie in an area now controlled by the rebels.

Gruzin's men had two large anti-aircraft guns mounted on a truck and an armed personnel carrier in Spartak.

While the vast majority of Spartak residents fled long ago, several dozen desperate people are holding on, saying they don't want to leave their belongings behind or have nowhere to go.

"The war has been going on for a year here. We are used to it by now, though I guess we should not get used to it. We have a basement and we run there when the fighting gets intense," said 61-year-old resident Yelena.

She lives in a badly damaged house with her 14-year-old daughter Marina who has not been to school since last May.

Both sides in the conflict, in which more than 6,000 people have died since last April, have accused each another of violating the truce. Gunfire came from both sides of the line of contact in Spartak on Monday.

The Kiev government and its Western supporters accuse Moscow of deliberately driving the rebellion in eastern Ukraine by providing the rebels with arms and money and sending serving Russian troops across the border.

Moscow denies direct military participation in the conflict.

The rebels said on Monday they only opened fire when attacked by the Ukrainian troops, but said they did not expect the latest truce to hold for long and they threatened to capture more ground. Fighting rages near Donetsk airport despite Ukraine ceasefire | Reuters
__________________

æ, !

Hannia - Hania - Mighthelp
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 14:41.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC4 © 2006, Crawlability, Inc.