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Old 6th February 2001, 16:21
NORRYM NORRYM is offline
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Thumbs up following a procedure hinges on facts

Until the facts are known, it matters not if the procedures applied were 'proper'. Misapplied 'proper' procedures can be used in a coverup attempt. The ultimate protection under the law is the Constitution. Local agencies and institutions, when left to their own devices, are known to be highly protective of their own skin.

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Old 6th February 2001, 17:00
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Re: following a procedure hinges on facts

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Until the facts are known, it matters not if the procedures applied were 'proper'. Misapplied 'proper' procedures can be used in a coverup attempt. The ultimate protection under the law is the Constitution. Local agencies and institutions, when left to their own devices, are known to be highly protective of their own skin.

emkay/02/06/01
If anybody has any doubts so he can feel free in presenting his reservations, what is legal, and not restricted.
But making any complains could be based on facts and at least fundamental knowlage of the obligatory rules.

After not complete week of the work of the Polish public prosecutor I haven't heard about single example of the procedural or nonprocedural errors in their work, nor from Ukrainian or any organization like Human Rights Watch.

Concluding: if not error perceived and job not finished any official statement is prematural.
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Old 6th February 2001, 17:17
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Thumbs up FACTS AND POLISH PRESS

A glimpse at current Polish press reports could add some fodder to the discussion. Any help, on that score, would be beneficial, otherwise, the posts are leading nowhere.

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Old 6th February 2001, 17:42
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Re: FACTS AND POLISH PRESS

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A glimpse at current Polish press reports could add some fodder to the discussion. Any help, on that score, would be beneficial, otherwise, the posts are leading nowhere.

emkay/02/06/01
Norrym, you are more self confident than Delphic Oracle. But this way you make your statements more varied. Don't give up this style.


And, if interested in, mentionned glimpse could be reduced to the following motives:

- no version of the event prevailes
- Ukrainians admit that it was accident
- the autopsy pointed out that it hadn't been execution (not from short distance in any way).
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Old 6th February 2001, 18:17
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Re: Re: FACTS AND POLISH PRESS

[quote]Originally posted by bubinski1


- no version of the event prevailes --- And?
- Ukrainians admit that it was accident ---
What Ukrainians?
- the autopsy pointed out that it hadn't been execution (not from short distance in any way). ---
He was not shot in the face or the back of the head. Does a person need to be shot this way to be exicuted?

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Old 6th February 2001, 18:31
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Re: Re: Re: FACTS AND POLISH PRESS

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- Ukrainians admit that it was accident ---
What Ukrainians?
- the autopsy pointed out that it hadn't been execution (not from short distance in any way). ---
He was not shot in the face or the back of the head. Does a person need to be shot this way to be exicuted?

Stepan.
"[...] And?" - and boys like you have exellent opportunity for speculations

"[...]What Ukrainians?[...]" - these from Ukrainian embassy

"[...]He was not shot in the face or the back of the head. Does a person need to be shot this way to be exicuted?
[...]" - I don't know. Should I?


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Old 6th February 2001, 22:21
NORRYM NORRYM is offline
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Thumbs up KISS [keep it simple stupid]

Why get so tangled up? A discussion, which desrves to be considered such, need not be incomprehensible to be serious! Back to the basics, and the basics in this instance are facts surrounding the shooting itself. The vindication or guilt come later. Simple enough?

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