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Old 10th February 2010, 16:26
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One of the likely scenarios went like this:

When the SS Galizien patrol aproached Huta Pieniacka, there were't initially fired upon, because the self-defense saw the German uniforms, and they were't so stupid as to opposed Germans whom they considered semi-friendly. The Ukrainian patrol walked forward peacefully and quite likely with a peaceful intent, they thought they are simply entering one more village in the German controlled territory

The problem is that probably one of the Ukrainians said something in Ukrainian. This has probably make the self-defense believe that it was actually NOT a German unit, but instead a UPA unit dressed as Germans in order to infiltrate and massacre the village - and so the Ukrainians were fired upon. This is also why the mutilation of the killed Ukrainians soldiers is VERY likely - the villagers thought they are mulating the bodies of UPA members, mutilating the bodies of members of organisation which has massacred thousands of their family members.
On February 23, 1944 – patrol encounters resistance
February 28, 1944 – assault day
“The Poles however, had too little time to prepare a defense or to escape”

You tell me how this makes since? They werent prepared, it was 5 days after. (Polish account)


Ok lets say that the scenario you present is a possibility.

Why mutilate the bodies if you know they're not UPA
---documents found in uniforms of the killed soldiers stated that they were members of the SS Galizien Division, stationed in Brody

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On what basis do you declare this academy credible just because it is "highest state research organization in Ukraine". Do you also believe Soviet propaganda coming in the past from the highest stare research organisations in Soviet Union? Furthermore, do you find the highest state research organisations in Turkey credible when it comes to the massacres of Armenians by the Turks?
So I assume you disregard the russian source as well. Its not a single source two sources one of them being ukrainian discrediting the polish account. The Russians were allied with the villagers and had a presence there.

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Yes, sure, calling the relations of witnesses "difficult to believe" is a perfect defense against the uncomfortable truth.
You discredit the reports of attacks on surrounding ukrainian villages and documented attacks on german supply lines. Even from the polish account partisans fighters numbered 500 in the village of 1,000.

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But how legitimate were the reasons for slaughtering every civilian, women and children included?

I don't really get how presense of troops discredits the claim of atrocities. Troops often defend villages, cities, etc etc. The normal (non-atrocity) way of taking such a settlement is to kill or capture the defending troops and leave the civilians alone. What the Ukrainians from SS Galizien did here was to kill the armed defenders AND slaughter every civilian they could get their hands on and the SECOND part constitutes a war crime
Well as I have stated before. Two accounts of the incident both researched found the ukrainians of SS galicia did not massacre civilians. Even a documentary made in Britains about ss galicia veterans residing there portraying them as murderers was discredited due to falsification. They movie makers constructed two regiments that never existed.

Obviously the partisans in the village did not take into credit the civilians residing there otherwise im sure they would have moved their positions forward to minimize civilian casualties.

I'm sure there was civilian deaths. If you are entering a village that you know has armed combatants, any movement could be that of an enemy partisan. There were 500 partisans fighters in a village of 1,000. Im pretty sure the partisans were clearly marked and were wearing civilian clothes. Makes it hard to distinguish when in a fire fight.

There are some facts that just dont seem to add up on the polish account.
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